Charging an Electric Vehicle In Public Can Cost Triple What Fueling Up a “Gas-Guzzler” Does

If you think the only carbon emissions cost comes from driving these you are sadly mistaken. If we start to consider the big picture ie the carbon cost associated with manufacturing and disposal things start to look a little more even. If we truly want to be environmentally conscious then study after study have shown no matter what u chooses to drive if far better for the planet to buy it and run it for 15-20 years bot throw it away and buy new every 2

Let's not pretend the EVs aren't without thier own moral dilemmas. I'm all for green energy, but the stories from African mining operations are discouraging. Our hunger for modern batteries comes with it's own price in blood.

and yet the following is not topic of discussion in rebuttal.

When it comes to mass production of hybrid and electric vehicles, the main problem has been a shortage of batteries. And the main material in growing demand is lithium.  An element found in abundance in South America, where the cheapest extraction method by evaporating salt brines in the solar ponds deploys usage of cheap and toxic PVC; and in lithium-rich regions of Chile where extracting the metal uses two-thirds of the area’s fresh drinking water.

Lithium is the 33rd most abundant element, however, it does not naturally occur in its pure form due to its high reactivity. Lithium metal, due to its alkaline properties, is corrosive and reacts with water. Breathing lithium dust or alkaline lithium compounds irritates respiratory tracts. Prolonged exposure to lithium can cause fluid to build-up in the lungs, leading to pulmonary edema. The metal itself is a handling hazard because of the caustic hydroxide produced when it is in contact with water causing an explosion.

Lithium mining carries high environmental costs. Mining companies prospecting lithium in northern Tibet, salt plains of South America, and Chile as well as lithium at Bolivia's Salar De Uyuni require extensive extraction operations and water in a dry land.

What about how the electricity is produced to charge those vehicles. Or if you say solar panels which I'm sure doesn't provide 100% of the electricity what about the manufacturing of those. People buy electric cars to try and feel good about themselves but fail to realize how much damage they will do when the batteries are time to be replaced. Or how the power is being generated in the first place.

What about how the electricity is produced to charge those vehicles. Or if you say solar panels which I'm sure doesn't provide 100% of the electricity what about the manufacturing of those. People buy electric cars to try and feel good about themselves but fail to realize how much damage they will do when the batteries are time to be replaced. Or how the power is being generated in the first place.

Are we going to ignore the immisions when making these things. Or the fact that Boone is willing to fix ev so any environmental impact saved is lost 1000 times over when someone that needs an 800$ charge port changed is told it's going to cost them 16000$to repair there car and to just buy a new one this is what happens when you break anything on an ev right now and with right to repair in jeopardy even if someone wants to fix them they may not be aloud to or the parts will not be made available.

My electricity comes from a coal plant. Riding a bike is probably the only way to travel carbon neutral

My electricity comes from a coal plant. Riding a bike is probably the only way to travel carbon neutral

Climate change is a hoax. I'll take my fossil fuel vehicle any day. You will never stop using fossil fuels. Everything you own is possible because of fossil fuels, even aspirin. I'll also take fuel sourced in the US by grown men to batteries whose materials are mined by child slave labor in countries that hate us. What could possibly go wrong?

Another fool. Just because the emissions do not come out of the tailpipe doesn't mean 400 miles away the power plant isn't spewing out carbon. Your scope is so small and lacking any intelligence.

I'm sorry but this big myth that oil controls politics is bonkers. It is cost that has kept adaptation of electric. As costs went down, so did the ownership in electric increase. Not everyone finds a Prius the right vehicle for them. Can't haul much or tow. Can't carpool with the soccer team either. If your single or have a small family, the Prius is great. Can we get back to facts instead of spreading quantifiable false information that big oil has kept electric at bay? Utter nonsense. That Honda Insight with 2 seats got MPG in the 60s but with only 2 seats. Not many would think a 2 seat automobile is right for them. The first Tesla was a 2 seater as well based in a Lotus sports car.

I always find this argument interesting. We really need to look at the whole package for vehicles. From mining the raw materials, shipping, refining, part creation, assembly, vehicle shipping, lifespan, power source used to charge, and ultimately recycling the vehicle.
The numbers when you take the full lifespan of the vehicle into account, I haven’t seen any numbers showing that EVs produce any less greenhouse gasses.

On top of that, EV companies sell their carbon credits to other companies, which negatively impacts overall carbon production numbers too.

EVs are a scam.

I believe you are keeping blinders on when it comes to emissions. Currently it takes about 12 years to break even with electric vehicles on emissions.

Honestly? The carbon footprint is comparable. Tesla is worse with their lithium batteries, don't even get me started on the environmental impacts of lithium mining. But to produce the electricity to power that bolt, or Tesla, or any other fully electric vehicle, carbon is produced in much higher quantities to create electricity at coal burning plants. Over 60% of American electricity is still powered by carbon-emitting methods. You aren't really helping the environment wirh an electric car, it just makes the buyer unable to personally see the carbon being produced and therefore feels more efficient without doing much. Hybrids are the best blend of carbon-reducing technology on cars in my opinion, at least until we look more into hydrogen powered cars. Toyota and I believe 2 other companies have hydrogen powered cars which don't use gas or electricity. I'm a gas junkie but I still think we could clean up our emissions, for sure. However, electric cars aren't at all where people seem to think they are on emissions. Accoesinf to a study, it takes a Tesla 17 years to outweigh the carbon produced just to make the car. Again, lithium mining is horrible. I forget the name of the study and it very well could be wrong, but something to think about.

No hate in any of this, I just wanted to throw it out there as another opinion, maybe even spark some interest in yet another alternative energy source. Nuclear would be cool but people don't seem to trust it, despite the intense modern safety regulations. Oh well.

Hey dummy, like many other batteries, the lithium-ion cells that power most electric vehicles rely on raw materials — like cobalt, lithium and rare earth elements — that have been linked to grave environmental and human rights concerns. Cobalt has been especially problematic. Making matters worse your crooked racist bumbling prez Biden who no doubt is your hero is Banning coal plants in USA where we just happen to have the best technology to produce Clean Coal.. mean while China is building coal plants every day as we speak so take your head out of your ass and stop getting brainwashed dummy!!!

Yes, he used one of the slowest to charge evs (we have one), and charged to 100% at a pet minute charger. This is pretty much a what not to do with an ev article.

Correct. I also mostly charge my Model3 at home which averages 12¢ per kwh. But when I charged it outside in Tesla's public charging station couple of days ago, I was was charged 25¢ per kwh. $1 per kwh is too high, there's something wrong. May be they parked it there for a longer period even after charging was complete. So they might have charged penalty/fees for blocking the chaging space.