Negative equity is rising.
You aren't alone if you are underwater and in the red with negative equity in your Ford F-150 pickup or SUV. The average trade-in during the third quarter of 2024 carried an all-time record amount of negative equity, with the borrower underwater by an average of $6,458, up 11 percent from a year earlier, according to Edmunds.
"It's easy to assume that only specific consumers trading in higher-ticket luxury vehicles are the ones underwater on their car loans, but the reality is that this is a problem across the board," Ivan Drury, Edmunds' director of insights, said in a statement.
This Ford-F-150 owner is $20,000 in the red.
Reddit user Designer_Junket_9347 says he has a Ford F-150 that he overpaid for the truck ($70,000). He has a 3.85% rate and a $1080 payment for 75 months financed with a credit union. His F-150 now has 58,841 miles on it.
He wants to trade it in, but he's probably stuck with the F-150 for quite a while. Here is his story.
He says, "My F-150 has lost so much value (~$20,000 in negative equity) since Ford has decided to tank the brand due to reliability and cutting corners during the pandemic. I really want to buy a house soon, but my monthly payment of $1080 is killing my DTI." (debt-to-income).
"Other than giving it back to the bank and saying 'the hell with it,' are there any other options?"
"I'm living paycheck to paycheck and eating as cheaply as I can already. So, paying more every month isn't an option. It was a great decision at the time to buy the truck because I was full-time RV'ing, but I don't need the truck anymore and tired of the mortgage payment on it."
"Can I trade into a lease on a cheaper vehicle? Or finance another car. I think I'm over the 125%, though."
This Ford F-150 truck owner is among many truck and SUV owners in the red in equity.
"Twenty-four percent of trade-ins used for new-vehicle purchases were underwater, up from 19 percent a year earlier though lower than the 34 percent in the pre-pandemic third quarter of 2019," Edmunds said.
A report from Automotive News says midsize SUVs made up 20 percent of the trade-ins with negative equity, 17 percent of the underwater vehicles were compact SUVs, and 10 percent of the negative-equity models were trucks, according to Edmunds.
The report said 22 percent of buyers with negative equity were more than $10,000 underwater on their existing auto loan, and 7.5 percent of consumers with trade-ins were more than $15,000 in the red.
"Consumers owing a grand or two more than their cars are worth isn't the end of the world, but seeing such a notable share of individuals affected at the $10,000 or even $15,000 level is nothing short of alarming," Edmunds head of insights Jessica Caldwell said in a statement.
"A combination of uncontrollable market factors and misguided consumer financial decisions are contributing to the rise of this troubling trend."
The Ford F-150 owner likely paid too much for the truck two years ago when inventory levels were low, and prices were at their highest. He also took out a 75-month loan.
Caldwell said the problem stems from consumers paying more than the sticker price on vehicles in the past and falling trade-in prices today as automaker incentives return. She said customers have also accepted long loan terms and trading vehicles "earlier than is financially prudent."
It's important to remember that there is now a record number of trade-ins underwater and in red, and you're not alone in facing this challenge.
The average amount of negative equity found on trade-ins for new vehicles reached an all-time high during the 3rd quarter of 2024.
The average negative equity for the past six years.
- Q3 2024 (-$6,458)
- Q3 2023 (-$5,808)
- Q3 2022 (-$4,894)
- Q3 2021 (-$4,200)
- Q3 2020 (-$4,964)
- Q3 2019 (-$5,251)
Dan Clara, senior vice president of operations at Asbury Automotive Group Inc., one of the nation's largest dealership groups, said during a third-quarter earnings call on October 29 that Asbury was "definitely seeing our fair share of consumers that are in a negative equity situation.”
Clara said Asbury encountered negative-equity consumers more frequently with domestic trade-ins, but the issue arose in luxury and imported models too.
"Negative equity requires, in many cases, more money down ... to offset some of that," Clara said. "So definitely a slight concern as we move forward."
What should truck and SUV owners do if they have negative equity?
The FTC Consumer Advice says, "If you think your trade-in has negative equity, find out what your current vehicle is worth before you negotiate the purchase of a new car. Check the National Automobile Dealers Association's (NADA) Guides, Edmunds, and Kelley Blue Book."
They give this advice if you have negative equity.
- One option is to wait to buy another car until you have positive equity in the one you're still paying for. For example, consider paying down your loan faster by making additional principal-only payments.
- Another solution is to sell your car yourself. You might get more for it than what a dealer says it's worth.
- Ask the dealer how they'll handle negative equity if you decide to go ahead with a trade-in. Read the contract carefully. Make sure any oral promises are included. Only sign the contract once you understand all the terms, the amount of your monthly payment, and what's included.
- Negotiate your new loan for the shortest amount of time you can afford, especially if the negative equity amount is rolled into the new loan. The longer your loan term, the longer it will take to reach positive equity in your new car — and the more you'll pay in interest.
The Ford F-150 owner is among many truck and SUV owners in the red with their vehicles. While there are no easy answers, being cautious and informed in your future decisions can help navigate this issue.
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I purchased a used 2021 F150…
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I purchased a used 2021 F150 Diesel 3.0 XLT and payments are 870.00 a month 75 payments .my loan is $46500 currently the truck trade in is 20,000 I'm flabbergasted .
That's not as bad as my 1974…
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That's not as bad as my 1974 Plymouth Trail Duster. It was Chrysler's attempt to compete with Chevy's Blazer. It was bumper to bumper junk. The salesman said it got great gas mileage. It did! Compared to an irrigation well. Their body shop had to break the doors so the windows would close. At an oil change, the transfer case seals had to often be changed.
Ford has tanked in…
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Ford has tanked in reliability and quality. I didn't spend anywhere near that for mine. I bought mine in late 2107 brand new and it's junk and I too am upside down. Ford does nothing to help their customers when they sell an unreliable, low quality truck. I now only have 130k on mine. I'm on transmission number 4, have had the cam phasers "repaired" several times, have 8 pages of repairs since it was 2.5 years old and last year discovered the welds holding the bed on are coming loose and have been for quite some time. I have had it looked at by multiple body shops and they all agree it was shoddy workmanship at the factory. That should not happen until the truck is much much older. 3 different dealerships said this truck is junk and Ford should buy it back or replace it. Do you think Ford cares? Nope. They refuse to do anything. Meanwhile, I'm stuck with a $689 payment and owe $10k more than it's worth. I did buy the extended warranty, thank God but that just expired. So, when the next thing comes up, I'll be paying for a truck I can't drive. So, first off, don't overpay for a vehicle like the guy in the article. Second, don't buy a Ford. They have clearly cut corners and produce low quality vehicles.
I have zero, repeat zero…
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I have zero, repeat zero sympathy for a guy who spends 70,000 dollars and is "living paycheck to paycheck"
maybe this moron should have bought a cheaper car, like a Camry that costs under 30K new and runs for 10 years and 250,000 miles with very few if any issues aside from routine maintenance
People here blaming the guy…
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People here blaming the guy for buying the truck instead of US automakers for turning trucks into luxury vehicles and no longer building small trucks. There's almost nothing on the market in the US that fits the role he wants, and people saying "buy used" as if any older model truck isn't immediately snatched up clearly are behind the times.
There is a lot missing from…
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There is a lot missing from this story. Did he trade in a vehicle that he owed on? Was he upside down on that trade? If either of those apply, did he roll in the old financing to this loan? How long has he owned the current truck? How much of the above applies to the averages in the story. In our instant gratification and easy lending society people can easily get themselves in trouble on depreciating assets.
I have an F-150 lightning,…
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I have an F-150 lightning, negative 40k.... They only offer 30k for trade in I still owe 70. 2022 model with 20k miles
When people complain about…
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When people complain about living paycheck to paycheck and I cannot afford this or afford that, why in the heck did you buy a 70K truck when you could have purchased a 1 or 2 year old truck for under 40K? Think about it. Crying up a story that you are 20K in negative equity, you did that. You are paying the min. payment which means you are not bringing up your equity. You overpaid as you said. Had you made a few extra car payments on a lesser priced vehicle, you would be even or ahead on equity. This was just a bad decision, yet you get your story in the news. For anyone buying a "NEW" vehicle, your plan should be to hold onto that vehicle for 4 to 7 years, not dump it after 2 years. Smarten up.
2 years ago he wouldn't have…
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In reply to When people complain about… by JWW (not verified)
2 years ago he wouldn't have been able to get a used truck that was a couple years old for under 40k. This was during peak used car prices. Then there was the issue of dealerships refusing to negotiate with their "the price you see is the best you'll get!" scheme. But yeah, if this guy knew he was going to be buying a house within a few years, he shouldn't have bought a new vehicle at all. Dumb decisions across the board. Id say with that average negative equity being at almost $6500 means people were suckers and paid for marked up vehicles instead of doing further research and finding dealers that were not marking up their vehicles.
I bought a 2020 f150 3.5…
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I bought a 2020 f150 3.5 ecoboost with the 10 speed transmission and just turned over 115,020kms and the transmission, I am told is going to need a rebuild. Ford will not help. So I’m stuck with a bad transmission and 25k still owing, however my trade in value is more than owing so I’m in the black on this one however. I may only get 20k with the faulty transmission as is. But I am certainly going to be buying a truck that does not carry a 10 speed Allison transmission as they are garbage and should never be put in a truck like that.
please spread the word about the 10R80 think of garbage and tell anyone that has me now to trade it back before the solenoid craps out and your stuck in drive and cannot back up.
Always buy gap insurance, if…
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Always buy gap insurance, if something happens to your truck, it will pay off the difference in your insurance pay-off and the amount of your loan
So check this out, I worked…
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So check this out, I worked for a Ford dealership when I leased my 2023 Ford F-150 Powerboost XLT. The truck is as loaded as an XLT comes, 70k MSRP. With D Plan (employee pricing) I leased the truck for just about 63k. I’m almost 2 years into my 3 year lease and the truck has absolutely TANKED in value. Truck has 12,500 miles on it and has a trade in value of about 39k. My lease purchase option is 47k. I’ll let you guess who’s going to be turning in the keys and walking away from this disaster, smh. I’m sort of pissed though…. Like how does someone become so flipped upside down on a lease like this? Been in the car business for 12 years and never seen so much negative equity on lease. Absolutely blows my mind. It’s a great truck and I’d love to keep it for the long haul but no way in hell I’d take it on the chin with that residual value vs live market value. No thanks.
Lesson learned a new car is…
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Lesson learned a new car is the worst investment you can make, especially if you finance. You are pretty much guaranteed to lose 50% in 3-5 years. These guys are crying about trade in on a truck, guess what...the dealer is there to make money, not help you out. If a new truck is 70k why would you give yours away for 30k? Sell privately or shop around. I buy new because I hold onto it for 10 years and I don't want headaches, and depreciation sucks but over 10 years it isn't that painful. 70 Month loan? Maybe you should buy a cheaper vehicle lol.
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