Negative equity is rising.
You aren't alone if you are underwater and in the red with negative equity in your Ford F-150 pickup or SUV. The average trade-in during the third quarter of 2024 carried an all-time record amount of negative equity, with the borrower underwater by an average of $6,458, up 11 percent from a year earlier, according to Edmunds.
"It's easy to assume that only specific consumers trading in higher-ticket luxury vehicles are the ones underwater on their car loans, but the reality is that this is a problem across the board," Ivan Drury, Edmunds' director of insights, said in a statement.
This Ford-F-150 owner is $20,000 in the red.
Reddit user Designer_Junket_9347 says he has a Ford F-150 that he overpaid for the truck ($70,000). He has a 3.85% rate and a $1080 payment for 75 months financed with a credit union. His F-150 now has 58,841 miles on it.
He wants to trade it in, but he's probably stuck with the F-150 for quite a while. Here is his story.
He says, "My F-150 has lost so much value (~$20,000 in negative equity) since Ford has decided to tank the brand due to reliability and cutting corners during the pandemic. I really want to buy a house soon, but my monthly payment of $1080 is killing my DTI." (debt-to-income).
"Other than giving it back to the bank and saying 'the hell with it,' are there any other options?"
"I'm living paycheck to paycheck and eating as cheaply as I can already. So, paying more every month isn't an option. It was a great decision at the time to buy the truck because I was full-time RV'ing, but I don't need the truck anymore and tired of the mortgage payment on it."
"Can I trade into a lease on a cheaper vehicle? Or finance another car. I think I'm over the 125%, though."
This Ford F-150 truck owner is among many truck and SUV owners in the red in equity.
"Twenty-four percent of trade-ins used for new-vehicle purchases were underwater, up from 19 percent a year earlier though lower than the 34 percent in the pre-pandemic third quarter of 2019," Edmunds said.
A report from Automotive News says midsize SUVs made up 20 percent of the trade-ins with negative equity, 17 percent of the underwater vehicles were compact SUVs, and 10 percent of the negative-equity models were trucks, according to Edmunds.
The report said 22 percent of buyers with negative equity were more than $10,000 underwater on their existing auto loan, and 7.5 percent of consumers with trade-ins were more than $15,000 in the red.
"Consumers owing a grand or two more than their cars are worth isn't the end of the world, but seeing such a notable share of individuals affected at the $10,000 or even $15,000 level is nothing short of alarming," Edmunds head of insights Jessica Caldwell said in a statement.
"A combination of uncontrollable market factors and misguided consumer financial decisions are contributing to the rise of this troubling trend."
The Ford F-150 owner likely paid too much for the truck two years ago when inventory levels were low, and prices were at their highest. He also took out a 75-month loan.
Caldwell said the problem stems from consumers paying more than the sticker price on vehicles in the past and falling trade-in prices today as automaker incentives return. She said customers have also accepted long loan terms and trading vehicles "earlier than is financially prudent."
It's important to remember that there is now a record number of trade-ins underwater and in red, and you're not alone in facing this challenge.
The average amount of negative equity found on trade-ins for new vehicles reached an all-time high during the 3rd quarter of 2024.
The average negative equity for the past six years.
- Q3 2024 (-$6,458)
- Q3 2023 (-$5,808)
- Q3 2022 (-$4,894)
- Q3 2021 (-$4,200)
- Q3 2020 (-$4,964)
- Q3 2019 (-$5,251)
Dan Clara, senior vice president of operations at Asbury Automotive Group Inc., one of the nation's largest dealership groups, said during a third-quarter earnings call on October 29 that Asbury was "definitely seeing our fair share of consumers that are in a negative equity situation.”
Clara said Asbury encountered negative-equity consumers more frequently with domestic trade-ins, but the issue arose in luxury and imported models too.
"Negative equity requires, in many cases, more money down ... to offset some of that," Clara said. "So definitely a slight concern as we move forward."
What should truck and SUV owners do if they have negative equity?
The FTC Consumer Advice says, "If you think your trade-in has negative equity, find out what your current vehicle is worth before you negotiate the purchase of a new car. Check the National Automobile Dealers Association's (NADA) Guides, Edmunds, and Kelley Blue Book."
They give this advice if you have negative equity.
- One option is to wait to buy another car until you have positive equity in the one you're still paying for. For example, consider paying down your loan faster by making additional principal-only payments.
- Another solution is to sell your car yourself. You might get more for it than what a dealer says it's worth.
- Ask the dealer how they'll handle negative equity if you decide to go ahead with a trade-in. Read the contract carefully. Make sure any oral promises are included. Only sign the contract once you understand all the terms, the amount of your monthly payment, and what's included.
- Negotiate your new loan for the shortest amount of time you can afford, especially if the negative equity amount is rolled into the new loan. The longer your loan term, the longer it will take to reach positive equity in your new car — and the more you'll pay in interest.
The Ford F-150 owner is among many truck and SUV owners in the red with their vehicles. While there are no easy answers, being cautious and informed in your future decisions can help navigate this issue.
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I like how he blames Ford
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I like how he blames Ford
Headline should read, "Yet…
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Headline should read, "Yet Another Moron Buys More Car Than He Can Afford, Is Shocked When It Depreciates Faster Than His Loan Repayment"
In other news, the sky is blue, and geese fly south in winter.
Another proof point that you…
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Another proof point that you should never buy a new vehicle. Next time, buy a truck with 50K miles and let others suffer the negative equity issue.
I never thought of my…
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I never thought of my vehicle (an expense, not an investment) had equity... Since it's an expense that depreciates in value exponentially, yearly, as vehicle have for decades and decades. Unlike a house (an investment) that actually has equity.
Wow, someone has a hate on…
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Wow, someone has a hate on for Ford. What a joke of a article, you hack. Titles the article about a F-150, then proceeds to quote people talking about trucks and SUV's in general, and how some kid with no money sense made a stupid buy that he regrets after. Then you proceed to tell another F-150 story specifically about someone making a stupid purchase they regret. My ex-wife bought a few Ram 1500, thought she'd be living the high life on my dime. Realized after the bank doesn't care when you sign on the dotted line. Fast forward, it's been returned and she lost 20k in the end. Shocked it wasn't about a F-150? Me too, cause according to this HACK, it's only Ford owners with these issues.
It was not the right…
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It was not the right decision,at the time,to pay thousands over sticker for a magical as many folks did post COVID. Dealers and manufacturers made a killing. Consumers who bought into the " this is the new normal" on vehicle purchases are hosed . No one was forced to buy a car or truck at an inflated price. You own this decision. Best way out of am upside down car loan? Pay it off and drive it ...
Don't buy a $ 70000 truck…
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Don't buy a $ 70000 truck when you live paycheck to paycheck. Buy a used truck and someone else takes the bath.
This is why I always lease…
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This is why I always lease. When my 2022 f150 lease is up next March I just give it back to ford and lease a new one if I want to.
So this person over paid for…
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So this person over paid for a vehicle, financed it for a long term, and the payment is outside of their budget. Of course they're going to have negative equity and be financially strapped. No one to blame but themselves.
In the overwhelming…
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In the overwhelming circumstances, buying a vehicle is not an investment. Those that complain about their free will purchase affecting their ability to purchase a home because their of income to debt ratio have only themselves to point at. I drove a junker that I kept running when buying our first home. We sacrificed to place our children in private school because our local schools were substandard. This story is simply not news other than perhaps the percentage of of the drop the moment one takes the new vehicle off the dealers lot. Different vehicles have different ratios of loss.
Mine is a 2022 F 150 with…
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Mine is a 2022 F 150 with only 12000 miles and I m under
Trucks are not an investment…
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Trucks are not an investment so you can trade in or resell. They are designed to give you value in the work you do with them. So many purchase $70k “work trucks” and don’t use them for work. Then they whine because they think they have lost value. You not working them is all it’s true value lost. Other wise, you treat it like you do an expensive overpriced luxury vehicle; you enjoy it for its comfort and look. That is the value for those type of people.
You also don’t overpay for a work truck, that you can’t really afford. We can tell because this loser did a 75 month loan on it! So of course he is going to look degradably at his “investment” every time he sees how little is principal has gone down, how many months he still has to go and the “trade in value”. Then he complains to the whole word with his only compliant that pushes the blame on to someone/something else. SMH
I can't feel sorry for…
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I can't feel sorry for people that do this. Paying anything over 35k for a vehicle is ignorant in its own right.but buying a truck for a specific purpose, stopping that purpose, and then crying about it when its holding negative equity after being somewhat conscious its overpriced is just plain old blind to your own stupidity.
I sell cars for a living,…
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I sell cars for a living, albeit in Canada not the USA, but the rules are essentially the same. Don't blame the industry on the consumer making a poor purchasing decision. That's always been the nature of the industry. Vehicles depreciate. Also, it could be worse, they could own a Chevrolet or a Ram product, which in my territory would fetch even lower numbers.
I sell cars for a living,…
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I sell cars for a living, albeit in Canada not the USA, but the rules are essentially the same. Don't blame the industry on the consumer making a poor purchasing decision. That's always been the nature of the industry. Vehicles depreciate. Also, it could be worse, they could own a Chevrolet or a Ram product, which in my territory would fetch even lower numbers.
75 month car loan? You can…
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75 month car loan? You can't afford the car. Get something used.
This is buyer error more than anything to do with a brand problem.
Someone living paycheck to…
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Someone living paycheck to paycheck and renting a home shouldn't have bought a $70,000 vehicle. That's the issue here - people prioritise vehicles in our society, and the inflated vehicle prices reflect that. It's not Ford's fault this guy made a bad decision.
I don't live paycheck to paycheck, own a home, make $140k/yr and all my vehicles combined cost less than $70k.
How about not spending 70k…
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How about not spending 70k on a truck you cant afford?
Second, how about researching the Ecoboost engine that is in your F-150?
Those engines are failing at about 60k miles, head gaskets are blowing on them.
Is that why this dude wants out at 59k?
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In reply to How about not spending 70k… by William DeAngelis (not verified)
Don’t finance with a 75 month duration! This is why he’s underwater with negative equity. If he was on a five year plan he’d be keeping up with the depreciation.
You forgot to note that he…
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You forgot to note that he should not have purchased a $70k truck in the first place, RVer or not, he obviously could not afford this truck. This result was entirely predictable. Has little to do with Ford reliability. Could have purchased used, maybe leased a vehicle.
If you're going to buy a 70…
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In reply to You forgot to note that he… by Frank (not verified)
If you're going to buy a 70 grand truck you sure as hell better be making enough to pay cash for it. A thousand dollar payment for six and a half years? Insanity in my world, or you're still living at home with Mom and Dad and not another payment in sight.
This should be titled as…
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This should be titled as poor judgement leads to losses. If the person is living paycheck to paycheck they should followed the age old wisdom of living within your means. A brand new truck at $70,000 is excess even for the ones that are making more than enough to save and afford a car.
Trucks are purpose driven ego vehicles that do not hold the value steady factoring depreciation. A used truck would have been a better option for the hero of the tale.
You bought the truck, you…
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You bought the truck, you signed those paiement, and now it's someone else fault.
"It was a great decision at…
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"It was a great decision at the time to buy the truck"
Narrator : It was not
You didn't need to buy the fanciest, newest truck and finance it to the gills my man.
You sir are the problem not…
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In reply to "It was a great decision at… by Colin Howe (not verified)
You sir are the problem not the truck it's a shame in this day and age you wouldn't have made it 50 years ago your the reason they have to warn you that coffee is hot.
This guy fits the stereotype…
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This guy fits the stereotype of owners with negative equity.
Impulsive person who over pays and changes his mind often. He can't wait to move on to the next debt. He has to do it right now.
Just slow down. Pay off your truck or at least pay it down until you no longer have any negative equity. Then the problem is solved.
Ford is not to blame for your predicament. You are. Another stereotype: blaming others for your situation.
Go back to living in the RV…
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Go back to living in the RV. If you can’t change the truck situation, change what you can. Get a second job.
This is literally just a guy…
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This is literally just a guy who bought a truck he couldn’t afford. Calling it “negative equity” and trying to blame it on Ford, as if cars don’t normally depreciate the moment you drive them off the lot will not change that basic fact.
Bought 2016 F-150 for 32000…
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Bought 2016 F-150 for 32000 total with taxes and fees. Saved for it. Big down payment. Paid off in 18 months. Had 60000 miles on it. Still worth over 20k. Do it that way next time. Oh, and with it paid off was able to Really upgrade the audio making it thumping loud while playing some Rush.
Why is any of this negative…
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Why is any of this negative equity a surprise?
70k for a truck is luxury territory. If you can't afford, or don't like the cost of luxury, then don't spend so much to begin with. 35k for the base model sounds like it's right up his alley. Literally half as much and is a truck so it can do truck stuff.
Let's cut the pity party bullshit and look at the facts. Trucks, especially ones from a brand that does fleet vehicles, has never been known to hold a significant of their value over time. So stop pretending this is a shock. It's ignoring common sense and insulting to the reader.
Pagination