"Should I get rid of my mint 2023 Toyota Tacoma and buy a 2025 Toyota Tundra? I'm worried about the Tundra's engine issues."
That's what Andre Kaufman says on the 2023-2025 Toyota Tundra Owner's Facebook page. He's asking Tundra owners if he should buy a new Tundra because he dislikes his Tacoma so much.
What would you do in his situation?
Imagine the disappointment of trading in a 2010 Toyota Tacoma, one of the best vehicles you've ever owned. You were drawn to the look of the 3rd-gen models, so you eagerly purchased a 2023 Tacoma, expecting it to surpass your previous-gen Tacoma pickup. However, it fell far short of your expectations.
Shortly after you purchased the new Tacoma, you discovered it has fatal flaws that you can't live with. Despite this, you've kept the Tacoma immaculate and performed all the regular maintenance; the truck looks fantastic.
It has low mileage because you don't drive it much, as you don't like it.
The only thing you do like about the 2023 Tacoma is its exterior design. Just about everything else about it, you abhor. You are ready to get rid of it and buy a Toyota Tundra truck.
However, you've heard about the Tundra's engine failure problems. So, you join the Tundra owners page and ask what other Tundra owners think. Most of the Tundra owners still like their trucks, even those who have had to replace the engine.
First, what does Andre dislike about his 3rd gen Toyota Tacoma?
He says, "I have two vehicles: my 2023 Tacoma and an older 2007 Camry. The Camry is for around town, and I no longer trust it enough for any road trips, but it's a really comfortable vehicle."
"The problem is I have a love-hate relationship with the Tacoma. I love the look and simplicity of the Tacoma, but it's a bit underpowered, and even worse than that, it's the most uncomfortable truck I've ever owned or have ever sat in."
Andre's Tacoma Has Fatal Flaws
"The driver seat destroys my body after more than 15 or 20 minutes, especially my left hip; when I get out, it's totally locked up. My left knee rides on the left door and bounces off it as I go down the road. On top of that, the Tacoma is really cramped."
"I had a 2010 Tacoma, and I loved it; it was way more comfortable than my 3rd generation."
"My Tacoma is very uncomfortable and underpowered, and the transmission is just plain awful."
"It's only redeeming value is the way it looks and its reliability. Everything else flat-out sucks. I test-drove a 4th gen, and it's what I'd look at if I wanted a Tacoma; the powertrain is a lot better."
Wait, There's More He Doesn't Like About His Tacoma
"The AC in my Tacoma is barely adequate when temperatures get in the upper 80s, above that, and it really struggles. My Camry is like a meat locker when it's 100° out."
So, should Andre get rid of his Tacoma and buy a Tundra?
"I don't put a lot of miles on my vehicles each year, so I'm a bit worried that my warranty would expire on a new Tundra before the engine would ever let go, and I'm not sure if I want to keep trading the vehicle in every three or so years."
He Asks Tundra Owners
"So, convince me one way or the other if I should buy a Tundra or not. I test-drove a few of them, and they seemed quite nice and comfortable, with "God-like" power compared to what I'm used to in my Tacoma."
"I got an offer for $41,500 on my absolutely mint Tacoma."
"I'm looking at a 2025 Tundra TRD Platinum or a 1794, and it has to be in Lunar Rock. I'm just a bit concerned with all the Tundra engines that seem to be going out around here."
Keli Tena's Lunar Rock Tundra
What should he do?
Josh Chittaphong agrees with Andre that the Tacoma is not comfortable.
He says, "I had a 2020 Tacoma TRD off-road that I had bought brand new 5 years ago. I loved it when my commute was only 10 minutes. However, when I moved back home (driving from California to Tennessee, and my commutes were significantly longer), I grew to hate it and realized how small, cramped, and underpowered it was. Long story short, I now have a 2025 Limited Crewmax, and I'm in love."
Fred George - "Well, my opinion is to get the Tundra. I'm 70 years old and have had many trucks in my life, but this Limited has absolutely the best, smoothest, and quietest ride of any of them. I'm glad I didn't spend the extra on the Platinum and other high-priced models. In my opinion, this Limited is fantastic!"
Top contributor Stephen Mazzola says, "I loved my 2021 Tacoma. I had a boatload of money and time into it. It looked amazing, and I always got positive comments on it. It was as capable as you can make a mid-sized truck."
"It could not get out of its way with 33s on it. Even with the OTT tune, the tune is a waste of $500. It sucked on gas, probably around 12 mpg. However, keep in mind that I had a lot of extra weight on it."
"I miss it daily until I take my Tundra out. The power the truck has is amazing. All the tech is amazing. And it actually gets better mileage than my Tacoma did. I'm getting up to 14 mpg in Tundra with 3" lift and 35s."
"It's night and day as far as comfort. The Tundra definitely won't get in tight trails like a Tacoma, but I feel it outperforms in every other aspect. Good luck with your final choice. In a perfect world, I could have kept both."
Andre is almost convinced now to get out of his Tacoma and into a new Tundra.
Daniel Lay says, "I had a 2023 Tacoma and upgraded to a Tundra. My Tundra has 600 miles and has been in the shop more times than the Tacoma ever was after two years. That being said, I way prefer driving and riding in the Tundra. I also found the Tacoma to be extremely uncomfortable and way too small, as well as underpowered. I am short and fat, though."
After Emerson Rodriguez's words, Andrea is convinced.
Emerson says, "My brother has a Platinum Tundra, and it's a night and day difference with my Tacoma. The Tundra is way more comfortable and has more power, and that 10-speed transmission is something else. A Tundra will fit you better, but if you want comfort, it'll have to be Platinum or 1794 trim."
What is Andre's Decision?
Andre says, "Well. I've made my decision. I'm going to the Toyota dealer tomorrow, and I'm getting in a 2025 Tundra Platinum TRD Off Road in Lunar Rock."
In the End
First, it's a good idea to talk with other Tundra owners before you pull the trigger and trade a mint vehicle, like Andre's 2023 Tacoma, which is in excellent condition, for another vehicle you aren't sure about. Now, he can make an informed choice.
However, has Toyota fixed the Tundra engine failure problems?
There are reports of 2025 Toyota Tundra engine failures that are explicitly related to main bearing issues and a ticking noise similar to that of the 2024 models. One 2025 Tundra reported a locked-up engine with only 1528 miles. Check out Kirk Cashen's unbelievable story here.
What Would You Do?
Do you own a 3rd-generation Tacoma pickup? How do you like it for comfort? If you had a mint 2023 Toyota Tacoma pickup, would you trade it in for a 2025 Toyota Tundra Platinum TRD Off Road? Click the red Add New Comment link below and let us know.
I am Denis Flierl, a Senior Torque News Reporter since 2012. My 30+ year tenure in the automotive industry, initially in a consulting role with every major car brand and later as a freelance journalist test-driving new vehicles, has equipped me with a wealth of knowledge. I specialize in reporting the latest automotive news and providing expert analysis on Subaru, which you'll find here, ensuring that you, as a reader, are always well-informed and up-to-date. Follow me on my X SubaruReport, All Subaru, WRXSTI, @DenisFlierl, Facebook, and Instagram.
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The latest generation of…
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The latest generation of Tacoma has issues with the automatic transmission prematurely failing. The new Tundra has self destructing engines and rear differentials. Plus, because they are both turbo charged, that is another eventual failure point. Toyota quality and reliability have left the room. ( I own a 2017 Tundra Limited with the bulletproof 5.7L that I am planning to keep forever. If you complain about gas mileage, well then maybe you shouldn’t own a truck).
I wouldn't let the turbo…
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In reply to The latest generation of… by Paul L (not verified)
I wouldn't let the turbo discourage you. Anymore turbos tend to last the life of the vehicle. And if not, you only ever have to replace it once. Unless you have oil flow issues. But for me, I'd like to let them sort out the kinks over the next few years. I trust Toyota with this for sure. Reliability isn't out the window just yet. We've only had a year with these new gens
Head slap! The definition of…
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Head slap! The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and expecting a different result. Late Model Tundra problems are well documented. Why buy problems?
BTW, my 2022 Ford RANGER has been perfect!
Stop buying Toyota trucks…
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Stop buying Toyota trucks.. obviously..
I had a Gen 3 TRD Off Road,…
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I had a Gen 3 TRD Off Road, I had the same issue as being mentioned. I went to a Silerado after about a year of ownership. I since thought I would try a 2025 Tacoma TRD Off Road with 6 foot bed. Same issue as my Gen 3. The 2025 ownership last 900 miles. Now driving a Tundra Limited. Go for it. If fuel mileage is a priority, get a new carry.
My 2021 taco has adequate…
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In reply to I had a Gen 3 TRD Off Road,… by Tim LeVan (not verified)
My 2021 taco has adequate power? The 3.5 v6 has pulled many boats and campers no problem! Transmission does a lot of searching but I have gotten used to it.
Buy a Nissan Frontier. Real…
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Buy a Nissan Frontier. Real v6 with better mpg than the Tacoma, and very comfortable to drive. Also, you won't have to pay the 'Tacoma' premium.
I wouldn't trade my 2022…
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I wouldn't trade my 2022 Tacoma TRD Off-Road for any Tundra of any description.
No single vehicle meets the needs of every customer. Mine does everything I ask and does it well.
The biggest thing I miss is electric steering with lane keep.
I got my 23 Tacoma tuned by…
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I got my 23 Tacoma tuned by a guy in Prescott and I'm super happy with it now. No acceleration lag and putting my foot on the floor now gets an instant response.
So yes - this is curable.
Toyota's are junk. Most…
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Toyota's are junk. Most overrated crap in automotive history
Let's see, I hate my Toyota,…
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Let's see, I hate my Toyota, so I MUST get another Toyota, even with an engine that's known to blow up.
Does it EVER occur to Toyota fanboys that there ARE other brands to choose from, and in some cases they build a superior product? Just asking!
I've owned Toyota trucks…
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I've owned Toyota trucks since 1984. My current truck is a Supercharged 2001 Taco built for off roading in Colorado. I wanted a new truck even though I love my Taco. I took a chance and went to the dark side after test driving multiple configurations and different builds of the Tacoma. Yes, I bought a Chevy ZR2 Colorado and love everything about it. I'm crossing my fingers about the longevity, but even that is no guarentee with Toyata trucks these days. Also... kept my old 2001 just in case.
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I'm sorry but the comment about the 25 tundra where it has 600 mi and been in shop more than taco he has for 2 years
I've always had small trucks but never a Tacoma. Now I have a Kia for bombing around town. But last August I bought an 2005 4cyl 4wd SR5 taco with 157,000. In as immaculate as it can be with those traits. In 38 and in ok shape so comfort isn't a necessity (yet). But I've slammed 10,000 mi on in 10 months. And besides oil changes it's going to the shop next week for its first repair..new sway bar links. That's it. I guess when there's nothing to a vehicle it's good to go. So glad I have a RADIO in the dash and not a computer tablet. Those belong on your coffee table, not your truck dash 😂
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i traded my 2018 Tacoma for a 2023 version. Since i prefer manual-transmissions i bought the off-road model, no choice actually that was the only manual model.The Off Road comes with a few luxury items such as powered driver's seat, and I find that I can adjust it to be perfectly comfortable even for long trips. I cannot comment on the transmission since the six speed manual is the same as it has been for years, and it is fine. It is definitely way under powered, with no load in the box, in cruise control in top gear at 110 km/h and you arrive at a modest hill it will lose speed until you have to downshift. It also gobbles gas, and that is my major concern. If I traded my Tacoma I would want another Tacoma, I have driven them for decades, but the new hybrid Tacomas are an unknown and I am wary of them. Time will tell if a little turbo 4 and a bank of batteries will do the job. I will hang on to my 2023 for a few years.
If its one thing toyota is…
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In reply to i traded my 2018 Tacoma for… by Mike (not verified)
If its one thing toyota is well known for, its their hybrid system. I believe the 5th generation hybrid system. They've got balls.
First world problems and…
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First world problems and such freedom using the word "hate". If you "hated" it so much but still got time to post and rant. Didn't you test drive it? OMG, go buy a Chevy or GMC if you hate your purchase and know the word hate after.
Like you I own two Toyotas…
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Like you I own two Toyotas. A 2021 RAV4 and a 2007 Tacoma PreRunner. I trust both vehicles implicitly. My advice to our troubled third gen Taco owner is to sell it now and buy a 2016 or older Taco to replace the newer one. Tacos well cared for will run forever.
I had an 18 and 21 Tacoma…
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I had an 18 and 21 Tacoma and they were both awful trucks. The gas tank leaked so badly on the 21 they had to completely replace it. I have never driven a vehicle with a worse transmission in my life. The truck was constantly gear hunting, whenever you descended a hill it would redline and not kick over into the next gear. I traded my 21 in for a Subaru Outback from 2013 and it's simply a much better vehicle. I dislike the look of the new Tacoma. In general I find the trucks are too large for what I need or want. Unfortunately no manufacturer makes a small body on frame truck with a torquey, efficient turbo diesel..
My 19 Tacoma is decently…
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My 19 Tacoma is decently comfortable. I think the main issue is not that the engine is underpowered, but that the transmission is horrible. Shifts down at every little incline and shifts back-and-forth way more than it needs to. If that were fixed, I think a lot of complaints would go away.
Buy a Ford or Chevny
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Buy a Ford or Chevny
I have a 2020 tacoma trd,l…
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I have a 2020 tacoma trd,l and I hate it. It has worse fuel economy than a full size chev or ford, with half the torque. Toyota engine and trans engineers should be ashamed.
Im 6'2" 300 lbs and am…
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Im 6'2" 300 lbs and am completely comfortable in my Tacoma. Do NY to Fla non stop trips 2X per year no issue at all. Id like a little bigger truck too but not enough to get me to sell my reliable and durable Tacoma for a ticking time bomb Tundra.
Had a 2008 Tacoma I bought…
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Had a 2008 Tacoma I bought new in fall 2007. Best truck ever! Got totaled in an accident, January 2022, with nearly 400K miles on it. Bought a brand new 2022 Tacoma off showroom floor. Hated it for all the same reasons as the author described, uncomfortable seating, underpowered, horrible transmission, very poor gas mileage (much less than my 2008 V6 Tacoma), horrible at towing even a small 6x10 trailer. I traded in the 2022 Tacoma for a 2024 GMC Canyon. I wanted to stay with a midsize truck. The Canyon is a much better truck in every way, solving all the issues there were with the 2022 Tacoma. For the same price as the Tacoma, the Canyon came with more options, is comfortable to drive, gets up to 23mpg where the Tacoma got 18-19mpg on same drive, and I have even pulled car trailer 1400 miles with a 3500 pound car on it. Toyota really blew it with the 3rd gen Tacoma.
Buy a ram
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Buy a ram
I just bought my 2025 tacoma…
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I just bought my 2025 tacoma thinking it would fit my needs..."pretty good power " enough room for me and my wife, plus a small dog. But I can only take the blame, since I bought it without letting anyone know, thinking the Tacoma would more than meet my expectations.....Boy was I wrong. NO power whatsoever, the few times I've shifted into 4WD the gearbox jurks and sounds like it's about to fall out of the truck.
Only had my 2025 Tacoma a few months and already I'm trying to figure out a way to trade it for a Tundra.
I know...."good luck" right?
Greatly disappointed
I hate my Toyota. Im gonna…
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I hate my Toyota. Im gonna buy another toyota... 🤦♂️
Don't buy a newer Toyota. …
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Don't buy a newer Toyota. They absolutely suck. Steering wheel shakes, gear hunting, brake shuddering, wildly inaccurate mpgs from manufacture averages, under powered. In the past 10 years I've been through new Camry's and two 4Runners. Never again. Toyota is a straight up lie.
I own a 2021 Toyota Tacoma…
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I own a 2021 Toyota Tacoma and disappointed....My 3rd and this is the worse..
Iv always wanted a newer Tacoma..
Poor gas mileage..
Wears me out driving it..
Not comfortable ...
Looking to trade...
Instead of buying a new…
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Instead of buying a new truck why not diagnose the AC problem, put new seats/door cards that are more comfortable, and possibly modify the transmission and the exhaust/engine to produce more power? It's a solid platform just needs some help to become what you want it to be.
I bought myself a 2023…
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I bought myself a 2023 Nissan Frontier Pro 4 x 4. I LOVE IT!!! And I checked out the ratings and reviews very well before buying it, even Scotty Kilmer's Reviews on it. Do yourself a favor and check out the Frontiers actually made in 2023. NOT THE 2023 MODELS MADE IN 2022.
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