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My Ford F-150 Has Lost So Much Value, $20K In Negative Equity Since Ford Decided to Tank the Brand Due to Reliability and Cutting Corners

Many truck and SUV owners are shocked when they trade in their vehicles. Negative equity is at an all-time high, according to Edmunds. Here is an amazing story of a Ford F-150 owner who is $20,000 in the red. 

Negative equity is rising.

You aren't alone if you are underwater and in the red with negative equity in your Ford F-150 pickup or SUV. The average trade-in during the third quarter of 2024 carried an all-time record amount of negative equity, with the borrower underwater by an average of $6,458, up 11 percent from a year earlier, according to Edmunds.

"It's easy to assume that only specific consumers trading in higher-ticket luxury vehicles are the ones underwater on their car loans, but the reality is that this is a problem across the board," Ivan Drury, Edmunds' director of insights, said in a statement.

This Ford-F-150 owner is $20,000 in the red. 

Reddit user Designer_Junket_9347 says he has a Ford F-150 that he overpaid for the truck ($70,000). He has a 3.85% rate and a $1080 payment for 75 months financed with a credit union. His F-150 now has 58,841 miles on it. 

He wants to trade it in, but he's probably stuck with the F-150 for quite a while. Here is his story.

He says, "My F-150 has lost so much value (~$20,000 in negative equity) since Ford has decided to tank the brand due to reliability and cutting corners during the pandemic. I really want to buy a house soon, but my monthly payment of $1080 is killing my DTI." (debt-to-income). 

"Other than giving it back to the bank and saying 'the hell with it,' are there any other options?" 

"I'm living paycheck to paycheck and eating as cheaply as I can already. So, paying more every month isn't an option. It was a great decision at the time to buy the truck because I was full-time RV'ing, but I don't need the truck anymore and tired of the mortgage payment on it." 

"Can I trade into a lease on a cheaper vehicle? Or finance another car. I think I'm over the 125%, though."

This Ford F-150 truck owner is among many truck and SUV owners in the red in equity. 

"Twenty-four percent of trade-ins used for new-vehicle purchases were underwater, up from 19 percent a year earlier though lower than the 34 percent in the pre-pandemic third quarter of 2019," Edmunds said.

A report from Automotive News says midsize SUVs made up 20 percent of the trade-ins with negative equity, 17 percent of the underwater vehicles were compact SUVs, and 10 percent of the negative-equity models were trucks, according to Edmunds.

The report said 22 percent of buyers with negative equity were more than $10,000 underwater on their existing auto loan, and 7.5 percent of consumers with trade-ins were more than $15,000 in the red.

"Consumers owing a grand or two more than their cars are worth isn't the end of the world, but seeing such a notable share of individuals affected at the $10,000 or even $15,000 level is nothing short of alarming," Edmunds head of insights Jessica Caldwell said in a statement. 

"A combination of uncontrollable market factors and misguided consumer financial decisions are contributing to the rise of this troubling trend."

The Ford F-150 owner likely paid too much for the truck two years ago when inventory levels were low, and prices were at their highest. He also took out a 75-month loan.  

Caldwell said the problem stems from consumers paying more than the sticker price on vehicles in the past and falling trade-in prices today as automaker incentives return. She said customers have also accepted long loan terms and trading vehicles "earlier than is financially prudent."

It's important to remember that there is now a record number of trade-ins underwater and in red, and you're not alone in facing this challenge. 

The average amount of negative equity found on trade-ins for new vehicles reached an all-time high during the 3rd quarter of 2024.

The average negative equity for the past six years. 

  • Q3 2024 (-$6,458)
  • Q3 2023 (-$5,808)
  • Q3 2022 (-$4,894)
  • Q3 2021 (-$4,200)
  • Q3 2020 (-$4,964)
  • Q3 2019 (-$5,251)

Dan Clara, senior vice president of operations at Asbury Automotive Group Inc., one of the nation's largest dealership groups, said during a third-quarter earnings call on October 29 that Asbury was "definitely seeing our fair share of consumers that are in a negative equity situation.”

Clara said Asbury encountered negative-equity consumers more frequently with domestic trade-ins, but the issue arose in luxury and imported models too.

"Negative equity requires, in many cases, more money down ... to offset some of that," Clara said. "So definitely a slight concern as we move forward."

What should truck and SUV owners do if they have negative equity?

The FTC Consumer Advice says, "If you think your trade-in has negative equity, find out what your current vehicle is worth before you negotiate the purchase of a new car. Check the National Automobile Dealers Association's (NADA) Guides, Edmunds, and Kelley Blue Book."

They give this advice if you have negative equity.

  • One option is to wait to buy another car until you have positive equity in the one you're still paying for. For example, consider paying down your loan faster by making additional principal-only payments. 
  • Another solution is to sell your car yourself. You might get more for it than what a dealer says it's worth.
  • Ask the dealer how they'll handle negative equity if you decide to go ahead with a trade-in. Read the contract carefully. Make sure any oral promises are included. Only sign the contract once you understand all the terms, the amount of your monthly payment, and what's included.
  • Negotiate your new loan for the shortest amount of time you can afford, especially if the negative equity amount is rolled into the new loan. The longer your loan term, the longer it will take to reach positive equity in your new car — and the more you'll pay in interest.

The Ford F-150 owner is among many truck and SUV owners in the red with their vehicles. While there are no easy answers, being cautious and informed in your future decisions can help navigate this issue. 

It's Your Turn.

Do you have negative equity in your vehicle? Which truck or SUV do you own? If so, click the red Add New Comment link below and let us know.

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I am Denis Flierl, a Senior Torque News Reporter since 2012. My 30+ year tenure in the automotive industry, initially in a consulting role with every major car brand and later as a freelance journalist test-driving new vehicles, has equipped me with a wealth of knowledge. I specialize in reporting the latest automotive news and providing expert analysis on Subaru, which you'll find here, ensuring that you, as a reader, are always well-informed and up-to-date. Follow me on my X SubaruReportAll Subaru, WRXSTI, @DenisFlierlFacebook, and Instagram.

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Comments

Michael hammer (not verified)    December 1, 2024 - 11:33AM

Since this person owes money in negative equity on this truck, then use it to make money with to haul stuff for profit as people who buy stuff that's bulky or too big for their cars will pay truck owners. Do scrap metal runs but have a bed liner in truck to protect from dings and scratches/gouges. Haul wood chips and other yard improvement project items for people doing yard projects. Advertise for dump runs and moving needs. Make money with the truck and let the money you make be your payment money along with maintenance as well. This way your paycheck money can be free and clear from car payments unless your truck side jobs fall short from time to time.

Zero211617 (not verified)    December 1, 2024 - 2:12PM

$1080 payment on a ford for 75 months????? You 100 percent deserve to be in the Red, people who actually have money look at the 10x rule. For you to afford 1080 a month your income should be $10,800 a month you DumFuK!!!

Stephen (not verified)    December 1, 2024 - 3:01PM

$5251 in 2019 is equal to $6458 in 2024, so not change in 5 years. What isn't this in the calculations? Inflation is real.

Dave (not verified)    December 1, 2024 - 3:55PM

This doesn't add up. He had to have financed closer to $72k, which is a loaded F150. His low rate has him paying the loan down (relatively) quickly. A loaded two year old F150 with 58k miles is still worth over $40k. The only way this remotely adds up, is if he has put 58k miles on the truck in 18 months, has bald tires and needs out of it. If he's 24 months into ownership, he owes $50k on it and it's still worth $40k. He's probably $10k upside down and looking for sympathy. The true issue for him is he purchased a $67k MSRP truck and financed the entire purchase price plus taxes and fees, i.e. $72k. The moral of the story is don't buy it if you can't pay for all of it, or most of it upfront. New car loans will keep you living paycheck to paycheck as long as you play their game. The only thing worse for a consumer is (renting) leasing a new car.

Jonny Chi (not verified)    December 1, 2024 - 4:15PM

Living paycheck to paycheck and he buys a $70,000 pickup with an over $1,000 a month payment and he blames Ford? Look in the mirror dude!

Sean Hodges (not verified)    December 1, 2024 - 4:51PM

An obvious financial genius. 70k, 75 months @ 3.85% , probably with little or no down = buyer stupidity. No excuses - when are people gonna understand financial discipline.

Goto Afterburners (not verified)    December 1, 2024 - 6:48PM

First, if you're living paycheck to paycheck, you shouldn't be driving a $70k truck. THAT is the problem with you people today. YOU think that YOU'RE entitled to everything that everyone else has working a job that pays nothing, OR, over-extending yourself on monthly expenses. Quit whining, learn from your mistake, keep the truck, and get a better job. Suck it up buttercup.

James (not verified)    December 1, 2024 - 7:38PM

What is want you get for buying something you can't afford or even wanting it so bad you did not think things thru... typical

Whyoemwhy (not verified)    December 1, 2024 - 8:51PM

Why oh why did Ford force me into overpaying for a truck on long terms i couldnt afford and then I decided years later is a bad financial decision. Can't believe this is an actual article

Robert (not verified)    December 1, 2024 - 9:08PM

Dude grossly overpaid, voluntarily, for a vehicle, financed for 75 months, put 60K miles on it, made no additional payments (sounds like) and it's somehow Ford's fault he has negative equity? Way to take zero personal responsibility, dude. You wanted to live large, so now you have to pay the piper.

Glemon (not verified)    December 2, 2024 - 2:15AM

Crazy to put so much money into a rapidly depreciating asset. My whole life the longest loan term I have taken on a vehicle is 3 years, always paid off early, and no payments much over $350. You don't need a 70,000 new truck, don't buy one if you can't afford to run it.

Derp (not verified)    December 2, 2024 - 6:26AM

Living paycheck to paycheck but agreed to a $1000 /month car loan. For 75 months.. not a very smart person to begin with. Sounds like he also didn't put enough down.

Jerome Joseph (not verified)    December 2, 2024 - 6:32AM

I have three customers that own F150 Lightenings and they absolutely love them. Being an automotive enthusiast I always ask them about their trucks and issues and one of them had a rear door glass that quit working because of a faulty switch and another customer had a back light that working. They said they will never go back to the ICE and one of them beats the hell out of his for work.

Ikonos (not verified)    December 2, 2024 - 7:08AM

When you buy at the top of the market at the same time everyone else was in the grip of pandemic panic buying, what did you think was going to happen?

Smart buyers made do with what they had and waited out all the panic buying insanity.

Those who were patient will be able to buy a nice late model used vehicle with low mileage being turned in by the foolish buyers who couldn't afford the vehicle or the loan but bought anyway.

Drue (not verified)    December 2, 2024 - 7:18AM

Lesson learned the hard way. The only person who makes money on a trade in is the dealer. Remember that. In 60 years of driving I have made a small profit when selling one car. A Pontiac Firebird convertible in the 70’s when Detroit briefly stopped making them. The only way you don’t lose too much money on a car is to buy it and drive it until it is no longer dependable. You will hardly ever make money on a car no matter what. A car salesman pan once told me that a car is a depreciating asset. Truer words were never uttered.

Carlos F Salinas (not verified)    December 2, 2024 - 7:35AM

Buying a new vehicle is the dumbest financial decision you'll make unless you're a millionaire. Once you drive it off that lot is already depreciated 15-20 %. Get a used one and pay CASH !!

J S (not verified)    December 2, 2024 - 7:40AM

You write this story like we should feel bad for this person . However you neglect to tell us.. they basically financed the full 70k. The said part is rather than educate your readers on how to avoid it.. Which is pretty easy.. Simply put 20% or more down. Avoid long term financing past 5 yrs. And you can get out pretty even after 2.5 to 3 years.

Never a pickup fan (not verified)    December 2, 2024 - 7:43AM

After many years of owning vans, mostly Fords E 150's - E 250's I've always found more value in them with more sheet metal than overpriced monstrosities because of popularity of many an ego who get 4WD for street when most never see a dirt road ever and many with useless 6 foot beds I'll never understand but they have their place amongst the trump crowd flying their flags of support for a phony thinking he's in their corner and they're going to be in for a rude awakening in a few years especially if they think their pavement princesses are underwater now, you just wait and see what's coming down the pike!!!

Philip Dubay (not verified)    December 2, 2024 - 7:46AM

It's time to start following Dave Ramsey about your vehicle purchases. He'd call this your stupid tax and that if this is a financial burden for you, then you need to sell the truck for a beater and buy your replacement in cash. Following that method further means all future vehicle purchases should be what you can buy IN CASH. The only reason that you are worried about negative equity in a car is because you want to trade for the new, shiny one before you actually own the one you have. People need to learn to be content with what they have and IF you are going to finance, DO NOT finance for 75 months!?!? Follow the top personal finance advice that you pay 20% down, payments are no more than 8% of your monthly income and no more than 36 months. This isn't Ford's fault, this is the consumer making bad financial decisions in an era where information is readily available.

Jeff Devine (not verified)    December 2, 2024 - 7:47AM

I’m sorry, but my 2018 F-150 XLT 4x4 with FX4, chrome package, and navigation was $46,000 and that included GAP and a warranty. This person spent $24,000 over what I spent. I can’t imagine why. It’s an F-150. Why would you spend $70,000 on one?

Bone (not verified)    December 2, 2024 - 8:05AM

75 month loan? How about buying something you can afford, this problem was self inflicted.

If you can't pay for it in 48 months you can't afford to own it.

Steve Seeney (not verified)    December 2, 2024 - 8:38AM

I also found that my truck has $15,000 negative equity.
2023 F150 Lightning (PRO)
61,000 miles
7.99% interst rate
I'm currently looking at getting a better interst rate for a new F150 LIGHTNING XLT 0% 60 months
It's payment gone be close to my same payment now,but I'm not sure I want to commit to start payments all over again.
I'm currently putting $150 extra towards principal on my current loan,so I'm hoping to get positive equity in another 12months,than make another decision in December of 2025 for a new truck.I will probably have 80k miles on it by than and warranty will be good for maybe 1 more year.
Should I keep with this plan or try to get a new loan/ truck this year 2024 and put the 15,0000 of negative equity on the the new loan,which now they are talking about a 3to4 interst rate instead of the 0% percent.
Ugh!
Thanks Ford!
I was looking

Lou (not verified)    December 2, 2024 - 8:47AM

As long as people keep paying higher and higher prices for bigger and bigger trucks with more and more "features," the industry will just keep doing it! They've come out and admitted it themselves. To pay more than 30K for ANY truck is insane! It's supposed to be a workhorse, not a Winnebago with a utility bed.

Lou (not verified)    December 2, 2024 - 8:49AM

As long as people keep paying higher and higher prices for bigger and bigger trucks with more and more "features," the industry will just keep doing it! They've come out and admitted it themselves. To pay more than 30K for ANY truck is insane! It's supposed to be a workhorse, not a Winnebago with a utility bed.