Toyota's Solid-State Battery Will Crush Tesla Li-Ion Updates

Anyone else remember FUD? Fear Uncertainty Doubt. That's what this article reminds me of. It's like an attempt to squash Tesla which is rising fast, by spreading FUD about a product that doesn't even exist yet. Let's wait a year and see what is really on the market a year from now. I would love to see Toyota succeed. I just think it's dumb to try to make this out to be a Tesla killer product. Elon Musk and company won't be sitting still during the next year.

Speaking of wiping the floor, that is what should be done with whatever you think qualifies you as a journalist. Knowing that yellow journalism is all the rage to disguise incompetence, so keeping your rancid imagination out of "reporting" will benefit us all.

What a goofball analysis. Trying to wedge comparisons of Tesla being Android, Toyota being Apple. How? “Because I have been around both cars”. Yeah, me, too. I own a Prius and M3. Bottom line: Tesla is Apple, Toyota Android.

Everyone in the comments is overlooking the writer's main point. Tesla has a limit to what they can currently produce and the quality with which they will produce it. Right now there are tens of thousands of Tesla owners that cannot even service their vehicles due to a lack of infrastructure. Oh, by the way, Tesla is usually 60 days from financial insolvency so I would not bet on a growing infrastructure big enough to suit demand. Toyota has the highest quality vehicles on the road and you can buy one without a waiting list....meaning when I need it. It's all a false comparison. Apples to oranges. Toyota is on top. Tesla is fiddling around the base and slicing off a niche market.

Toyota has to want to make EVs in order for them to succeed with EVs and if you listen to their boss they don't want to. I'll believe they are serious when they start to spend some real money. Those solid state batteries have to come from.somewhere, where are they building that plant. VW is spending 70 billion Euros to build EVs. GM $27B including a battery plant. On battery day Musk described how they were increasing the productivity of their battery plants by 10X so they could reach their goal of 3 TWh of batteries per year. Toyota has said nothing about building their batteries in volume. If you look at what they are doing now it doesn't inspire confidence. They Rav4 Prime is a pretty decent PHEV that could sell in large numbers if Toyota was interested but they are limiting sales to 20,000 next year, compliance numbers.

would this technology end up in their phones first? this is called vaporware

I would agree that Toyota definitely has Tesla beat in quality as of this moment for the reason that you name: They simply have been at the game longer and have fine-tuned their process. Tesla is slowly but surely fixing their problems with quality and I have no doubt that they will succeed.

From what I understand, Toyota is not actually releasing the battery next year. They are debuting it next year. I believe the car itself is scheduled to be released a few years after that. But that being said, Toyota has fooled us many times with promises of electric vehicles. They invested way too much time and energy on hydrogen fuel cell cars and are now trying to play catch up, along with a few others such as Honda. I wish them the best of luck, truly, but I will believe it when I see it.

The Handspring Treos were the first real smartphones.

All this talk about Apple and smart phones...

Nobody seems to remember windows mobile that was out for years before the iPhone. I loved that thing.

Sorry, but it's hard to believe Toyota has some magical solid state battery technology under wraps that the rest of the world, and in particular Elon doesn't already know about. This sounds more like an attention grabbing attempt, given the dismal acceptance of Toyota's hydrogen fueled vehicle whose acceleration and handling are pathetic. As for Toyota's manufacturing advantage, there's a lot of their engine, transmission, cooling system and drive train capacity that suddenly will be worth zero. Nice try but your claim is like saying the dominant reliable 1920s cable and pulley "steamshovel" manufacturers were destined to run over the new hydraulic piston "steamshovel" startup Caterpillar introduced. As for Tesla's reliability issues, the drive train and battery are rock solid. Their issues are cosmetics - panel fit, paint, squeaks, etc.) which are all easily solveable.

Interesting article, although I think that the conclusions aren't justified by the data. First of all, the argument that apple is the go to indominus smartphone game is a very american-centric idea. Worldwide, Android holds 87% of the market. That's more of an aside, as I'm an Android user, but I get really sick of the Apple Fanboys making that assumption.

A lot of users of commented that we need to go to hydrogen, and his energy efficiency goes, I think generating electricity with a solar rooftop and charging my car is the way to go. Totally off grid, using the biggest hydrogen burner in our neighborhood, it's called the sun. And it's totally renewable.

I think Tesla is Apple, much as I don't like apple lol, because Elon musk equals Steve Jobs. Both of advanced technology through vision and will and the refusal to take no for an answer. As someone mentioned elsewhere, Toyota has held back from entering the electric market, and in fact has deplored companies like Tesla for doing so. The fact that they're making such statements against cultural norms tells me that they're nervous as hell. Tesla has a proven battery and their strategy has always been first and foremost battery research. Also your analysis fails to mention another huge strategic advantage to Tesla has right now, and that is their supercharging Network which is integrated into their car navigation. No other car on the market currently has this advantage and ease of use if you're traveling beyond your local charging area. To me that alone is a reason to buy Tesla at this time.

What will the playing field look like in 3 years? God only knows, it's like asking what the price of a specific stock will be in 2025. I am getting into the Tesla game personally, but I am not investing in a purchase. I'm at a point in my life where I'm self-employed and can deduct lease payments, so a three-year lease is the way to go for me. that way if something better comes along, I can easily extricate myself from my tesla, which is possibly becoming obsolete, even though the software in the car is continuously updated.

Toyota is also the company that markets hybrids as "self charging EVs" and hydrogen fuel cell cars as "negative emissions" so if you take their claims at face value, this article is going to be a laughing stock in 2 years. 56% vehicle efficiency gain? Most of the inefficiencies are aerodynamic losses at highway speeds. The physics are not there for your claims. 10 minute charging also means a ridiculous amount of heat generated in your charging system in 10 minutes. Toyota doesn't even have a charging infrastructure. Unless they want to make another crippled California only car like the Mirai, these theoretical numbers mean nothing.

Legacy car companies are finding out much more difficult to successfully produce high-ish volume electric cars that sell. Yes Toyota makes well engineered cars but I don't think they've sold and ECs yet. Maybe they should make some Li battery powered cars first to get some on the road and learn about what it takes to do that instead of promising untested, never produced next-gen technology that we all know won't be released for 5 years, of ever. Just like their stupid hydrogen cars, this is mostly greenwashing to look like they are doing something or for European fleet rules.

you dis Tesla while championing a company that you say has some hidden tech next year... who is blowing smoke and who is building factories????? Tesla and GM are the ones to watch, vw and toyota are talking themselves into the graveyard. Maybe they can join with the Packard museum one day.......

Do people REALLY think that Tesla is just getting 100% blindsided by SSB developments? Really? Do we think Musk is like "But muh tabless electrodes! Perfect in every way!" They'll partner with whoever they need to partner with, if they're really behind. And all i heard about a Toyota ev was "prototype next year" ok? That's not how you spell imminent doom for Tesla.

Sorry but your article excessively misses the mark and blatantly discusses your own biases. To compare Tesla to Apple is insane, apple releases the same phone year after year with slight updates, android is a much better system but its easily hackable and to extreme for a car. Ive literarly purchase a tesla 2 weeks ago, model y and came from a prius i drove since 2014. Toyotas main selling point is its simplicity, teslas is its complexity and innovation.

It's insane to think Tesla is Android.

Tesla is Apple. Anti-social proprietary connector. One button. Paid for options remotely deleted from your car.

This is sarcastic humor, right? Many times, Toyota ditched EVs in favor of hybrids and even the silly notion of hydrogen (which is cool but not nearly as efficient).
Toyota had entered the market too late, just like the rest of the legacy auto industry.
By the time they come out with a better battery (which is all hype, btw, because the solid state battery is only marginally better than old Tesla, I mean Panasonic, cells), Tesla will be selling terawatt hours of cheaply produced cells that are good enough to power the world with (and being solar charged).
The enemy of good enough is perfection.

Am I wrong that you have worked for Toyota in many different capacities? Wouldn't a good journalist make sure that their readers know that when posting such a pro-Toyota article?

The article is founded on speculation and promise. It is heavy with opinion and bias. Today, Tesla has delivered on it's promises while Toyota is simply projecting plans. A decent article though misses to lean on facts.

Wow.... This dude seems to not know anything about the ev market.. Very idiotic and manipulative statements in this article. Last time i read from this site.