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Subaru Forester, Outback, Legacy No Longer Cars Most Likely to Reach 200,000 Miles

What happened to Subaru’s status as a brand with high-mileage vehicles?

Subaru was recently known as an automaker that made cars going more miles than most others, but that has changed. The Japanese automaker had all-wheel-drive cars reaching 200,000 plus miles plus and the Subaru Legacy has been known as the longest lasting sedan in America as recently as 2016. But recent studies say things are changing.

As recently as 2016, Subaru had three cars on the iSeeCars “Longest Lasting Vehicles Over 200,000 Miles” list. The Subaru Legacy was number 6, Outback number 9 and Forester number 10. In 2017 the Subaru Legacy ranked 6th on the Top 16 Longest-Lasting Cars list, Outback was 7th, and Forester ranked 8th overall.

But something changed in 2018. No Subaru vehicles ranked on the top-10 list. Not surprisingly, the list is dominated by Toyota and Honda, and Ford and Chevy also have two cars on the list.

This year iSeeCars did the study again, analyzed over 13.8 million cars sold in 2018 to determine which models have the highest percentage of cars that reached 200,000 miles. Subaru scores zero vehicles on any of the lists two years in-a-row.

The Subaru brand does not show up until number 8 on the Cars Most Likely to Reach 200,000 Miles by Make list. Subaru ranks 0.6 percent of their vehicles reaching the 200K mile mark which is below the average of all auto brands at 0.8 percent. Japanese rival Toyota ranks number one at 1.7 percent followed by Honda at 1.5 percent. American automakers GMC, Chevrolet, Ram, and Ford are also all above the average for all models.

What happened to Subaru?

Subaru of America has experienced tremendous growth over the last 10 years and with success has also come problems for the Japanese automaker. Subaru Corporation has struggled to keep their all-wheel-drive cars moving off their assembly lines in Japan without problems because of the record number of vehicles being sold in the U.S. The Japanese automaker had to shut down the Subaru plant in Gunma, Japan because of a power steering component defect in January.

2019 Subaru Forester

In 2017 Subaru was also hit with improper vehicle inspections scandal in Japan, massive global recall for a faulty engine valve spring last year, and 1.3 million vehicles recalled in the U.S. over a faulty brake light switch malfunction in March.

Dealer concerns

Last year, Subaru dealers in the U.S. expressed concern about how the Japanese automaker’s overall product line is slipping in quality. The board wrote, “Unfortunately, customers continue to have many issues with their Subarus, and the brand continues to slip in IQS and other industry metrics related to product quality. This is unacceptable and contradictory to what Subaru continues to tell the board and retailers about improvements being made thru quality initiatives.”

With its impressive growth, Subaru Corporation is having growing pains in Japan and the U.S. market. Subaru Corp has recently announced they have a new "Quality Policy" in order to realize "quality reform" which is one of the themes of the medium-term management vision "STEP" announced in July 2018. The first statement on the policy says “We will deliver products that can be used with confidence for a long time.”

Subaru Corp knows they have issues and they are making changes to fix them. Subaru customers are loyal, but they will lose confidence in the Forester, Outback, and Legacy if they don’t get it fixed soon.

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Comments

daniel (not verified)    June 22, 2019 - 8:53AM

In reply to by Denis Flierl

I have subaru forester 2.0X automatic 06. It has 200tkm or 125tm. In my opinion years are harder for the car then a mileage. It doesnt have head gasket issues, doesnt leak oil, doesnt loose coolant. Engine consumes less oil than many new engines. Im reading comment on various issues people have with they Subarus. Maybe Im lucky but this is very good car.

Lee Taplinger (not verified)    June 23, 2019 - 9:33AM

In reply to by daniel (not verified)

Your car is relatively old and has relatively few miles. A car left to sit for extended periods of time will have problems as you say. In my experience the biggest problem with age is rust, if you drive where they salt the roads. I had a 17 year old low mileage Frontier that was fine mechanically but the frame was loosing integrity.

Eric Nelson (not verified)    June 30, 2019 - 10:49AM

In reply to by Denis Flierl

83,000 mile 17 Outback. Using oil. That, and constant reminders by Subaru that the LGBTQ movement is good has me planning to get rid of my OB and say goodbye forever. Isa 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

Margaret Macelis (not verified)    June 16, 2019 - 11:29AM

Loved my 2009 Subaru Llbean Forester. I kept it nine years and it never failed me. Sorry the quality isn't what it once was, but Subaru of America was fabulous as fast Customer service as was the Cherry Hill NJ dealership. It still looked new when I sold it.

Sarafina (not verified)    June 16, 2019 - 11:43AM

Oh look, another Subaru hit piece from Denis. What is your problem with Subarus, Denis?
Your "article" doesn't even flesh out a good reason behind your headline claim. Just string together some random, unrelated content to fill that space!
Gotta get those clicks! No one would even read your stuff if it weren't for the clickbait headline.

BobBarker (not verified)    June 18, 2019 - 7:38PM

In reply to by Sarafina (not verified)

Well... Another funny comment from a member/cheerleader/ambassador of the growing Subaru throll farm online and on social media.

Subaru is good at marketing, slogans, high margin sales and customer service It would be much more better if they would also consider building quality cars right off the assembly line.

Lee Taplinger (not verified)    June 18, 2019 - 10:13PM

In reply to by BobBarker (not verified)

It's my experience that every time an auto manufacturer has a cult following they know they can sell whatever crap they want at whatever price. It's kind of like management decides if they spend enough on advertising people will believe it, and they're right, they do, and it's sad, because the products fall apart. Subaru does it, Mercedes, BMW, Volvo, Audi. High initial cost and low reliability but their customers have the status of owning the car.

Tim Palmer (not verified)    June 16, 2019 - 11:47AM

Any car can reach 200,000 miles... I have a Chevy truck just shy of 400K, a Ford Crown Vic at 338K, my old Ford Ranger had 283K and was running good when someone rear-ended me and totaled it. My Kawasaki motorcycle already has 130K and is climbing. If you TAKE CARE of your vehicles they will last.

Lee Taplinger (not verified)    June 18, 2019 - 9:50PM

In reply to by Tim Palmer (not verified)

But at what cost? That's the concern. Any vehicle can be kept running if money's no object. What people are concerned about here is you can buy a new Subaru and do all the maintenance and it can use oil, blow a head gasket, have the CVT die.

Aleks (not verified)    October 5, 2019 - 9:36AM

In reply to by Lee Taplinger (not verified)

I think CVT is the worst lie and dissapoitment Subary came up with. Oil can NOT be life time!!! Period!!! If you state lifetime, you must provide lifetime warranty. I have 2015 Outback 3.6, with 55k on it. I flushed CVT at 50k and the oil showed some sign of usage. I am going to do flushes every 50k to avoid paying 8k when it fails after 100k. Besides that - no issues. Subary - shame on you for missleading your customers! Not everyone understand the chemisrty and mechanics basics fo decide how to take care of your cars.

Lee Taplinger (not verified)    October 5, 2019 - 5:59PM

In reply to by Aleks (not verified)

When it comes to Subaru disappointments they give us a generous variety - blown head gaskets, nothing we can do about it. High oil consumption, it's normal. Then as you say CVTs don't need new fluid, no need to worry until the warranty is over, then you get the bill.

Maybe their engineers just vape too much THC because they also say you have to flush the brake fluid every 30K miles to keep your warranty intact and you have to change your synthetic engine oil every 6K miles. Toyota says 10K miles. When I asked the dealer service advisor why that is she said If Subaru said 10K miles everyone would have an empty crankcase by then.

asc (not verified)    June 16, 2019 - 11:53AM

2008 Outback 2.5i 5MT-97,000 miles so far.

1996 Legacy Brighton (stripper) 5MT- 296,000 when the drunk totaled it.

Richard Melloh (not verified)    June 16, 2019 - 12:42PM

Our family has three Subarus, two purchased used, a 2005 Legacy GT 5 spd wagon currently with 78k miles and a 2001 Sambar TT2 5 spd pickup, currently with 65k miles, also a 2013 XV Crosstrek Limited CVT purchased new, currently sporting 68k miles.

The Sambar is an imported odd duck, so I'll leave it out of the discussion.

As for the other two, they both have the same problems in common, failing hub/bearing assemblies all around and the need to replace back plates on all axles due to premature rust, a rather major job that I recommend should be done any time a hub/bearing assembly is replaced.

Hub/bearing assemblies are not cheap, nor are back plates. Best to address both in coincidence with a major brake job. Much of the labor is duplicated for any one of these procedures. I stay away from the dealers for this sort of work and am fortunate to have an affordable and skilled independent mechanic, so the actual cost for all this work is not as disastrous as one might think. Most of the cost is in the OEM parts.

In addition, the LGT had two broken springs by 72k and the struts and shock absorbers all around urgently required replacement. I purchased OEM springs with Bilstein HD struts, caps, strut bearings and HD rear shocks. The Bilsteins were expensive, but a great improvement. My mechanic was able to do the installation of all of the above in 3.5 hrs. I was impressed. As a percentage of the total cost, the labor was insignificant.

The XV Crosstrek has been close to flawless in the execution of its duties over the course of 6 years, other than the issues I have mentioned above. It is on its second set of winter and summer tires and third set of brakes. I made the mistake of not specifying OEM rotors and pads on a brake service. The Chinese rotors and pads did not last 15k miles in salt country, due to low quality steel alloys used. The first OEM brake/rotor sets lasted over 35k miles. We are back with the OEM brake parts now and can see the difference.

The valve spring recall on the 2013 XV was executed successfully by the dealer in 2019. A free loaner car was provided for five days, as the work extended over a weekend. My wife enjoyed driving a newer Forster for those days. We can't complain. The mpg stayed right where it was, all is well. The fix was prophylactic in our case.

The older much older 2005 LGT wagon, while having similar miles to the XV, is now showing a little rust bubble on a door panel and rear wheel arch, which will be addressed this year. The fabric interior and all interior materials remain as if new. The wagon is a beautiful, functional thing to behold, even in this day. With Cobb tuning, the original engine is cranking close to 300 hp hauling only 3355 AWD lbs. Handling is better than new, no rattles.

The 2005 LGT turbo 2.5 liter 4 has a reputation for undue oil consumption. It is somewhat high, but has remained constant. I experience nothing different from what the original owner has since new. We check the oil regularly, like in the old days, topping off as needed between oil changes which occur every 3000 miles. We keep a quart of oil in the boot at all times. I would rather use a little extra oil than have the opposite problem of oil dilution and degradation (gasoline in oil) such as some Hondas are experiencing. For us, there are no pesky Subaru head gasket/valve cover oil leak problems as of yet, though I hear about them from others, especially from people who don't own Subarus.

I observe a 7500 mile oil/filter change interval for the XV, always done by me. It has never used a drop between changes, nor suffered from dilution problems. The engine and CVT transmission continue to perform flawlessly. The XV appears as if new inside and out.

Both the 2005 LGT and 2013 XV still have the original exhaust systems, which remain functional. Living in salt country, that seems pretty remarkable to us.

I would not consider any of our Subies to be high mileage yet, but they show a lot of promise for continued reliable service, barring the inherent weaknesses I have described to date.

Sai (not verified)    June 16, 2019 - 1:27PM

I'm dissapoinTed.. I own two Subarus.. now this.

I'm moving ahead if they don't extend my warranty to lifetime on power train

Scott bowen (not verified)    June 16, 2019 - 2:04PM

I have a 1997 Subaru Legacy wagon GT. 191000 MI going strong I've had to replace the timing belt which is regular maintenance and the ball joints for better in alignment. I really enjoy driving my see nothing that handles like it

Ruud (not verified)    June 16, 2019 - 2:21PM

That's too bad ... guess we will stick to our trusty 2008 Outback XT. Yes, that's the one with the turbocharged engine. Over 192k on the odo, still fresh and agile. Hope the brand gets the issues sorted out quickly.

Jim Labyak (not verified)    June 16, 2019 - 3:01PM

I have an 07 Outback with just over 100K on it. Know this is not much but if it goes well, it will easily make it over 200K. What I really wanted to say is I find it one of the most unsafe cars I have ever owned. The is brought about by the location of the most used and next most used controls on the dash. The heater is hardest to get to and it mandated taking your eyes off the road to look for a button or lever to make adjustments. Same for radio. Just not well thought out.

KS1984 (not verified)    June 16, 2019 - 4:12PM

I was a loyal Subaru customer until my most recent 2015 outback purchase. Quality of the vehicle has declined and I am sad to say I will not return to the brand when I purchase my next vehicle. Have major issues with rear gate (MAJOR) and wheel bearings went earlier than expected.

Jay Lewis (not verified)    June 16, 2019 - 4:24PM

I used to love Subaru vehicles but since we bought our 2015 Subaru Forester we have had 4 motors within about 10,000 miles. It failed the oil consumption test and they did replace the motor but it used more oil than the first one. So they rebuilt this motor and it still uses a lot of oil. They only replace the bottom have by the way when they do the repairs and now our valves clatter but they say it's still in the valve guide clearance specs so they don't have to do anything. As low and as many times it's been low on oil I say there isn't much life left in the top end but it'll probably last past the warranty so they don't have to do anything. We just now turned past 80,000 miles.

Mojtaba Al Zaki (not verified)    June 16, 2019 - 4:46PM

I have subrau legacy 2006; it was good and might; now it is 300,000 milage, but the problem is the dealer, no good maintenance service centres; spare parts are not available
I will sale it as soon as possible

Sylvia Fagan (not verified)    June 16, 2019 - 5:32PM

I have a Subaru Rebecca and since my radiator was changed I started having a overheating issue along with the issue of the engine light coming on which is relating to the gas tank problem. And for all these issues no one knows How to solve the problems they just act like it is normal . No recall. Go on line and see all the people having the same problem right at 100000 miles. Very bad customer service.

Misty (not verified)    June 16, 2019 - 5:51PM

This is 100% where I am right now with my 2013 Outback: 2 recalls, twice damaged from being in the shop for those recalls (sloppy workmanship that led to other problems for me down the line- I suspect because the technicians were overwhelmed by the volume of cars being recalled), zero accountability from Subaru, huge repair bills, yet the friends who encouraged me to buy this lemon continue to be fanatical groupies for this brand. I get it- we all want to look like we're from the same camping/hiking/outdoorsy tribe, but this car has caused me nothing but grief after the 30k mile mark. Biggest purchasing regret of my life!

Robert Heinrich (not verified)    June 16, 2019 - 6:45PM

I don't understand how a Subaru cannot get 200K miles. It's not the vehicle it's the driver! I put 310K on my 2004 Prius, It could have easily gone 400k buy Calif. Gov. Brown implemented Smogging Hybrids ... a diag for a loose gas cap will fail a Smog Test in CA. The cost to clear the diag wasn't worth it, the insurance company would only give me $1,500 if I totaled the Prius. Calf would give me $1,000 if I sent it to the crusher (recycler). I am $1,000 richer but 100,000 miles poor. Thanks to Gov. Brown.