The Staggering Economics of the Tesla Semi

The problem is 500 miles, my brother averaged 1200 miles a day and didn't have time to sit at a charger.

.07 cents per kilowatt hour. I get a discount on electricity and buy at the lowest rate of .17 cent per kilowatt hour. How does any company pay for less than half of a discounted rate like that. Just to transmit the electricity costs more than .07 cents. Your rate assumption is too low, unless you have some proof that .07 cents is a guaranteed rate.

This cost per mile doesn't take into account the energy costs to create the batteries. While it may be cheaper on the road, all electric vehicles come preloaded with environmental costs out the gate

If half the "cars" on the road are electric and 10% of them are being charged up at one time America will have 160,000 MW added demand to the nations power grid. That's 80 new fuel fired power generating stations. Shouldn't someone be concerned about that or will we need to live without light and AC to accommodate this leftist fantasy.

Anyone ask how much it costs to mine the lithium? Anyone ask how much lithium is on the planet? How long is this viable for? Anyone ask how bad the harvesting of the mineral is on the planet? How about the damage to the habitat in the area they are mining for the minerals? Are they mining with electric drills and excavation equipment? Green energy doesn't mean no carbon footprint. Makes people feel good but it's not actually good for the planet.

Once we are all using electric the cost will go up due to demand. Our grid cant support such a change and it still requires oil to create the electricity so this is the major sucker play! Go electric and have major outages and only the rich will be going anywhere. If this was all about the planet then they would not be denying tax credits for Teslas. So political!!!

Once we are all using electric the cost will go up due to demand. Our grid cant support such a change and it still requires oil to create the electricity so this is the major sucker play! Go electric and have major outages and only the rich will be going anywhere. If this was all about the planet then they would not be denying tax credits for Teslas. So political!!!

This entire article is based on phantasy, 7 cents a kwh? That's the lowest I've seen anywhere in the country, the average is 15 cents a kwh and on top of that the study have shown that superchargers are 4 times the cost of the local electricity. So this isn't even close, REAL numbers would be the national average of 15 cents a hour, times 4 for the supercharger for 60 cents a kwh. Multiply by 400 kwh and your at 240 for the trip. Not to mention one of the reasons it's been delayed is they where testing in ohio and with a loaded truck struggled to get 100 miles in winter time. For those who don't k own lithium ion is a chemical reaction to charge and discharge electricity. Like everything else this happens slower in the cold, at 32 degrees you loose 30% battery capacity, and take 30% longer to charge. All numbers provided for range and such at at 72 degrees everything above and below that starts to reduce battery capacity. Finally the flow of electricity generates heat, heat increases resistance, increased resistance causes increased electricity usage as it takes more power just to flow through the system let alone actually do work. In other words electricity looses range exponentially faster when loaded than a ice engine because while the work needed to move the load is the same, the parasitic losses from friction, heat, ect grow exponentially as the vehicle is loaded down. Meanwhile a semi empty vs fully loaded only sees about a .5 mpg decrease as the system itself doesn't use extra energy to function

There are so many mis-spellings in this post and bad grammar....was it written by a bot? Or someone in a foreign land? Not good....

Totally wrong not 7c per kw more likely 18to 34c per kwh .please be honest about facts. Yes it's will be better and cheapest butt Nothing close to 7c !!!NO ONE PAYS 7C PER KWH. Fact check better next time.

It's all just "smoke and mirrors" from the Liberal Greenies who are perpetuating this worldwide hoax. Costs of operation for EVs will skyrocket in the future... As demand for electricity and battery materials increases, so will prices, just like fossil fuels. Tires for EVs cost substantially more, wear out faster, and the microscopic rubber particles pollute the air and water more than ICE vehicles.
And, let not anyone forget the costs of battery replacement, disposal, and additional firefighting equipment needed to extinguish those horrific battery fires.
EVs are a scam!!!

Item $cost/Change 100k

2015Ram2500Cummins 4dr 4x4 Diesel 6speed

Fuel $1.25-3.60 20mpg 7-18k
Recycled Contract $2.00

Oil+filter $100/10k. 1k

Fuel filters $20/10sets 200
Bulk purchased 18sets

Trans & transfer Case. 200
2.5gallons x 3per100k

Diff 3x 5qt $5qt. 125
Radiator 6gallons. 125
Power steering. 75
Wipers 4x. 75
Wipers fluid. 25

Tires 33k $250set. 750
New Take offs Transforce
275-70-18 10ply

Fuel filter External tank 50
Brake pads. 200
Carwash. 100
FanBelt+ radiator hoses 150

Air filter kn wash. 25
Clutch $1k/300k. 333
Batteries $300/5yrs. 60

Insurance$2k x2. 4000
Registration $400x2. 800
Driving license $100x2. 200

Parts collection over years
$3000+cash at 80% off=
$15,000 return. Plus+

Deleted RAM system$1600 + Edge2 $200 +
4 wheel spacers $100+
Rustoleom paint $100=$2k
CERT emergency stuff $1k
Camper& assessories $1k
(Glocks PTRs Ar15sAmmo)
Above amortized costs
$7k cost over 500k=1.4c

Subtotal 100k= $20-30k
Cents Per mile total 20-30c✓

RETAIL CostAAA 40-65cents/mile

500k miles=$99to$150,000
8yr return monthy=$2-3k or
$200-300k saved vs Retail
FRUGAL & Resourceful

500,000 miles cost RAM
+$7k amortized SPARE parts stored in garage Nevada
+$99-150k 500k (5x100k)
+$30k truck cost
$130-180,000 5yrs CASH cost

Vs. Tesla 500,000miles
Car $99-125k
Registration insurance driver's license costs(same)8kyr. 40k
Tires 25sets @$2000. 50k
Electric10cents mile 50k
Wipers & fluids. 1k
WashWax$200/20k= 5k
2 battery packs $50k
Brake system repairs. 5k
Bearings with breaks. 2k
Annual inspection$500. 3k
Estimated sub total $350-401k
Estimate 70-80cents/mile

Vs. Est. 23-38cents RAM

Cost data was collected from the Tesla fleet and estimated for 5-years and 60,000 miles
Tesla Model 3 Standard Range Plus: $0.55 per mile

500,000 Miles Total Costs=
Tesla 500k cost. $350-400k
RamCASHCost $130-180k

John saved CASH. $220-220k

You forgot to mention that tires on e-cars and trucks wear out faster than regular cars and trucks because the e cars and trucks weigh more. Also, the cost to replace a battery can be $10K plus. It is advertised that the average battery will last 10 years, this remains to be seen.

I'm just wondering what the cost of the electric semis batteries would be over its lifetime compared to the cost of a diesel semi and it's lifetime. How many miles will an electric semi be able to go before it has to replace its batteries. If batteries are expensive this could easily end up costing you more than a diesel semi several times over during it's lifetime.

What is price of truck????
How heavy is truck???
Will it cause less damage to roadway!!!
Who will pay for it so??

In the end the public is going to get hurt. How much waste and carbon you think it takes to build one of those. Charging will take long affecting how long a driver can really drive. This will be a more local truck only. 500 miles of range is too unrealistic more like 150 miles of range tops 200 miles. Plus the electrical grid is already stressed and not all electricity is made by renewable ways. This will only make electricity go up more.

Not so good a rip-off of the Twitter thread.. At least you referenced it.

Funny how you didn't consider that there is yet to be a road tax on electric vehicles or the fact that the semi would be extremely ineffective due to having a heavier ground weight in general. Semi's have maximum weight capacity and even with the range, it means less materia transported per truck just due to sheer weight. More trucks built= higher initial production cost. It's not viable until new battery tech is feasible.

Several issues:
1) road taxes were not included. Politicians WILL be adding that in 1 way or another. Still, that will be far less than diesel.
2) parallel Systems is in testing/trials right now. By end of 2023, they will likely be approved. HUGE change coming in the long distance trucking.

Sure it's cheap, fElon Musk feeds the unicorns extra pixie dust just before they 'ship' their 'trucks' (next year).

It is not true that electric vehicles are "a source of clean energy". They USE energy, they don't produce it. Furthermore, the source used to charge the vehicle could be either clean or dirty. Let's not get so excited about EVs that we forget where energy comes from.

I mean yeah but what's the total range on a charge we used 200mi as an example but if that's a charge range that's gonna suck, gonna take forever to ship anything.and yeah what we doin about Tesla batteries recycling or how much maintenance on them compared to a diesel would be. And idk if anyone noticed but we hit an energy crisis this summer in the states, and just my electric bill tripled so I've got no intention of switching anytime soon cause I don't think where I live it would have been any cheaper to drive an electric car. And have any of you looked into battery replacement costs for the Tesla?

13000 to 20000 just for sedan sized batteries I do not want to see the semi figures

Electricity comes mainly from cold and nuclear and now that there's enough some solar panel the windmills never make enough is simply not enough when to go against their cost but all that together is what it takes to produce electricity now how does these elected to nuclear power how do they get the coal power what are the coal come from and the sunlight how is all this stuff done how are the sunlight solar panel stuff put in that bought by truck coal delivered to the from the coal mine to the electrical places my truck nuclear either made on sale site or materials about in my truck so it's going to take electric trucks to produce electricity to make the electricity for the trucks to go up and down the road condemning diesel which comes from the Earth is the second most abundant source of liquid in the world next to water and all this is supposed to save the planet somewhere another let's just see what happens