VW sold under 2,000 ID Buzz Units in the U.S. in Q1 compared to over 20,000 Kia EV9s and 6,000 Tesla Cybertrucks sold in the same timeframe. The VW/Rivian partnership makes sense.
To much nostalgic fanfare, in June of 2023 Volkswagen officially launched the ID. Buzz in the United States. A recent thread on the Reddit r/electricvehicles forum discussed the disappointing sales performance of the ID. Buzz.
“I was really excited about the ID Buzz but I’ve realized it’s a failure in the US. Tried to capture why I think it’s failing - can informed folks please weigh in.
- Price. The higher trims hit mid $70K and there are just fewer customers in this segment (irrespective of brand, range, etc.).
- Range. For a car starting mid $60Ks, a range of 230 miles is just not acceptable. It’s off by a 100 miles actually.
- No incentives. Since this isn’t made in the U.S. Also no special lease deals in the U.S.
- Minivans are just not popular, especially compared to SUVs. It doesn’t matter how novel it looks.
- Marketing. Unfortunately, there is almost no effective marketing campaigns to promote the vehicle.” - carmichaelcar
After the concept was revealed in 2017, the Volkswagen ID. Buzz was eagerly anticipated by a wide audience including nostalgic Microbus enthusiasts, EV enthusiasts, van lifers, and millennials. The ID. Buzz brings retro charm and modern EV performance. Styled after the iconic microbus, it retains classic design cues like a big VW badge, two-tone wheels, and abundant windows - while delivering a fully electric drivetrain. Powered by a 91-kWh battery and a 210-kW rear motor (with optional front motor for AWD), it offers up to 287 miles of range in real-world conditions. Inside, it’s flexible and family-friendly, seating six or seven with easily configurable seats and up to 145.5 cubic feet of cargo space. This is more space than a Chevy Tahoe. Despite its retro appearance, performance is strong with a 0–60 mph time of just 5.3 seconds. The ID. Buzz balances nostalgia with technology, featuring a 12.9-inch touchscreen, three interior themes, and removable storage. Prices start at $61,500 for the rear-wheel-drive Pro S, and $65,535 for the all-wheel-drive Pro S Plus. With its nostalgic appeal, versatile layout, and respectable EV performance, the ID. Buzz merges VW’s heritage with its electrified future.
The ID. Buzz’s unsuccessful launch and soft sales may be due, in part, to internal restructuring, the ousting of the VW CEO, and challenges with technology development. In 2020, Volkswagen Group established its Cariad software division to create a unified software platform for all VW Group brands (Volkswagen, Audi, Porsche, etc.). It repeatedly faced major delays which jeopardized the entire EV strategy. Tasked with delivering VW.OS to enable over-the-air updates, Level 3 autonomy, and shared architecture, Cariad repeatedly missed deadlines, delaying key models like the Audi Q6 e-tron and Porsche Macan EV. These setbacks weakened VW’s competitiveness and triggered leadership shakeups, including the departure of CEO Herbert Diess and a Cariad restructuring in 2023. With Tesla and Chinese EV makers advancing rapidly, VW struggled to keep pace. These failures pushed the automaker to reconsider its in-house strategy, leading to a strategic partnership with Rivian to accelerate its EV software and platform development.
Multiple Reddit threads discuss converting electric sprinter vans like the Mercedes-Benz eSprinter, Ford E-Transit, and Ram ProMaster EV as alternatives to the ID. Buzz. In reference to the Mercedes-Benz eSprinter, AppointmentNearby161 posted:
“For van life, the big plus is a 100+ kWh battery bank is pretty sweet…”
Digging deeper, converting full-size electric cargo vans like the Mercedes-Benz eSprinter or Ford E-Transit into camper vans offers clear pros and cons. On the plus side, full-size electric cargo vans provide spacious interiors ideal for customization, quiet electric drivetrains, and lower emissions - making them eco-friendly and great for stealth camping. However, major downsides include limited range (typically under 200 miles), slow charging infrastructure in rural areas, and reduced cargo capacity due to battery placement. Van lifers also note that these vans are designed for urban delivery, not long-distance travel. Given current battery technology, unless range and charging logistics are carefully planned, they seem be best suited for short regional trips, not extended off-grid adventures.
Further down the first Reddit thread, there were a number of positive comments about Rivian. For example, Riviansky, added this post:
“My Rivian is heavily advertised for camping. It's an adventure vehicle…”
Volkswagen Group Partners with Rivian Automotive - VW May be Turning a Corner and Putting Its Recent EV Struggles Behind it
Volkswagen Group’s partnership with Rivian Group, announced in June 2024, delivers major business and marketing advantages. By aligning with a rising U.S. EV brand, VW strengthens its North American presence and gains credibility in a competitive market. Rivian’s loyal customer base and domestic production support VW’s strategic growth in the region. The joint venture also allows both companies to share development costs, streamline operations, and reduce time-to-market for future EVs—creating stronger financial efficiency and positioning both automakers for broader global impact.
On the technical side, VW gains access to Rivian’s industry-leading software platform and zonal vehicle architecture. Rivian’s expertise in over-the-air updates, user interface design, and advanced driver assistance systems (ADAS) helps VW address long-standing software delays, such as those seen with its Cariad unit. The partnership accelerates Volkswagen’s shift to software-defined vehicles by integrating Rivian’s nimble development approach with VW’s scale. Together, they can innovate faster, build smarter EV platforms, and deliver more refined digital driving experiences.
Rivian’s partnership with Volkswagen Group brings major financial backing and strategic support. Volkswagen committed up to $5 billion, beginning with a $1 billion investment. This capital infusion helps Rivian stabilize its finances as it scales production and prepares new models like the R2 and R3. The companies will establish a joint venture to develop next-generation software-defined vehicle (SDV) platforms, with Volkswagen licensing Rivian’s highly regarded in-house software and zonal architecture. This not only validates Rivian’s technology but also opens new revenue streams through licensing and shared development.
In addition to financial benefits, Rivian gains access to Volkswagen’s global manufacturing expertise, supply chain efficiency, and international markets. This collaboration could reduce production costs through shared components and platform development. The partnership significantly boosts Rivian’s credibility, aligning it with one of the world’s largest automakers. Overall, Rivian secures financial stability, technological validation, and a stronger global presence—positioning itself as a major player in the evolving electric vehicle landscape.
Given these exciting developments, we can't wait to see what the VW/Rivian partnership produces.
Drop your thoughts in the comments below.
Do you do any camping or adventuring with an EV?
For any van lifers out there, have you considered any EVs for your next conversion?
Chris Johnston is the author of SAE’s comprehensive book on electric vehicles, "The Arrival of The Electric Car." His coverage on Torque News focuses on electric vehicles. Chris has decades of product management experience in telematics, mobile computing, and wireless communications. Chris has a B.S. in electrical engineering from Purdue University and an MBA. He lives in Seattle. When not working, Chris enjoys restoring classic wooden boats, open water swimming, cycling and flying (as a private pilot). You can connect with Chris on LinkedIn and follow his work on X at ChrisJohnstonEV.
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I was actually very…
I was actually very interested until I saw it was only going to be offered as an electric. That may be fine in Eurooe, but it doesn't work in the US. I live in Texas. Electric cars don't have the range to drive from Dallas to Houston, much less take camping in a remote location without getting stranded.
I have long attested that until electric cars can charge their batteries to full in the same amount of time it takes to fill a tank of gas, they a novelty for wealthy enthusiasts. They aren't practical.
The same is true for this vehicle.
It's just a bust in the usa…
It's just a bust in the usa because of price. I love it. The TV ads are great. But BUT it's an EV we're mostly all to fancy for. We,d rather it was a hybrid knew a EV. BUT then the price its overpriced. Lower the price and then it will be a hit. Make in a hybrid and it will be a hit. But you'll probably see just more of these in CA. That's my thoughts. Good luck. I do love my VW Atlas.
Make a gasoline version and…
Make a gasoline version and they'll fly out of the dealerships
I'd buy one then
... and faster recharge time…
... and faster recharge time. If this van had 800 volt architecture and and an 18 minute recharge time it would be far more attractive. This should be more important than range. The Ionic 5, EV6, Sierra EV among others are more properly thought out so longer trips are more accessible. Too many EVs have been crippled with slow recharge time which will sour consumers on EVs (like the Bolt).
It was price first and range…
It was price first and range 2nd. My wife would have gotten this over a Y had price been anywhere close. Range was a concern but probably would have made it the around town car and our other vehicle for road trips since charging network outside of Tesla is not that reliable where I'm at.
Range is the number killer…
Range is the number killer for this van. I have a young family and we take road trips and camping excursions. Having limited range and then having to spend time at charging stations (if they're working) along with young impatient children is a recipe for disaster. I'll stick with my Pacifica and all its quirks, but at least I can drive almost 350 miles between fill ups and take less than 5 minutes to refuel.
I currently drive a Subaru…
I currently drive a Subaru Solterra and love it. My '24 Touring was only $42k well equipped because of poor marketing, perceived low range and poor management on Toyota's half.
I love the ID Buzz and predict that it will get the BZ4X/Solterra treatment of barely seeming relevant in range, charging creating drastically reduced pricing in a year.
Already they're reducing the top trim to $69k and it's only been out for a month.
Highly unlikely that I would get a Buzz in the face of the upcoming BZ5X and Subaru variant fitting out lifestyle better, but should we end up with the Buzz (despite worse efficiency than the Solterra which is barely covered by pir rooftop solar array), I've got plans for it.
Wrapping it while kids are little as Mystery Machine or their idea, then later having my own Lost mobile 😄
I absolutely wanted a buzz…
I absolutely wanted a buzz but 62k wasn't reasonable. 40k maybe. Anyone looking to spend 60k+ isn't looking for a minivan.
In the US they are on stop…
In the US they are on stop sale waiting for a silly update, customers are waiting. The used ones are selling at about MSRP and new ones are selling from MSRP to 5k over. Doesn't feel like a failure at the moment
VW should develop a gasoline…
VW should develop a gasoline/electric hybrid or a Diesel/electric hybrid ID-Buzz for the American market and build it in America to avoid Trumps tariffs. This would avoid the limited range of the all electric Buzz especially in the winter and summer when heavy heating and cooling is necessary which in turn shortens the operating range.
But a true fuel/electric set up like diesel/electric locomotives where it’s a diesel engine powering a generator that feeds electric motors on the axles
Do this and it will sell
I agree. I loved the…
I agree. I loved the original bus and was so excited to see VW come out with the ID Buzz. However very disappointed that it isn’t a hybrid and the price is out of my range. I hope they rethink, I’m sure if they offered choices such as an all gas or all diesel or hybrid with a lower price point it would do very well in the states and I for one would get one in a heartbeat.
VW is making the same…
VW is making the same mistake with the new Tiguan. They set the price way too high to make it a “people’s car”. Very disappointing from a lifelong fan
VW really, really blew a lot…
VW really, really blew a lot of goodwill from the bug. In fact, the Rabbit, the Bug's follow-on, had a valve seat issue and burned tons of oil by 50K miles. They never recovered and never got real market share. Then the various scandals and controversies, like decontenting the Jetta.
Now they come out w/ this cute micro van - which connotes road trips - and it can only go a couple hundred miles. And where do you get it fixed?
This model that finally came…
This model that finally came out after the great advertising blitz of 2018, doesn't look as cool...and it should only be at 70k if it's a camper version... I'd say between 40 & 50 K would be a more real price... Yes the call back to the van of the 60s attracts is, but it still has to have value and quality... Hurry up and get a solid state battery in that thing.
I was so excited for the…
I was so excited for the camper van version they were advertising with a kitchen, just like the vanogans! Finally coming to the US. I would make the price work for an electric version for road trips across the US. Then we see at the Detroit auto show, the US version is just a cooler minivan on the outside and a basic minivan on the inside. Lame!
The one ad I remember for…
The one ad I remember for this vehicle Involved SNL actors doing the Californians, but the ad was extremely cringeworthy and unrealistic when they referred to Pacific Coast Highway as “the PCH.” “The” in front of a number Is used for freeways only as a shorter version of saying “the 405 freeway.” By erroneously putting “the” front of PCH, they destroyed the entire conceit of Californians at the beach and made the van look like a try hard wannabe.
WUT? What bizarre gibberish…
WUT? What bizarre gibberish is this? I've only lived in Santa Barbara and Ventura for over 50 years, but it's ALWAYS been "THE" PCH. To hear someone say "PCH" w/o the "The" would be passing strange, and grating on the ears.
But in any case to contend that vehicle sales would succeed or founder on the presence of absence of the definite article?
What are you on and where can I get some?
People buy something that…
People buy something that makes them happy regardless of the price. It is what it is. Volkswagen is aware that the ID BUZZ is for a some car buyers who can afford.
I was interested in getting…
I was interested in getting the Volkswagen Buzz so I went and test drove one. I did not realize they only came in electric and the range only goes to 200 miles. That in itself was a downfall for me. I travel 350-400 miles trips often and I do not want to spend most of my time stopping to recharge. The Buzz itself was extremely comfortable and had lots of room inside of it. It drove really smooth. Please make some gasoline models or hybrids. I would definitely buy one if they change them to carry a longer charge, gasoline or hybrid version. The price is too high for me for such a short range. They also have kitchen and bed packages that you can purchase to use for camping and traveling trips. I’m obsessed with Scooby Doo and I wanted to get the Volkswagen Buzz just for this reason. The vehicle itself is amazing and they did a fantastic job with the design. I can’t wait until they upgrade to fuel, or a longer charging range!
I really wanted the new VW…
I really wanted the new VW van, but VW decided to market the longer van in the US. I think that's where they made the mistake.
The shorter style of the same van in europe is way cooler looking. I am almost positive that a lot of Americans don't know that.
VW was known for cute,cool, and inexpensive cars and vans which attract younger people. And as far
as the batteries they will keep improving,but there should be a law
that wherever gas is sold in the US
there must be the same number of
electric charging stations available.
The same way the industry developed fuel effiency for small gas cars they need to make a car that conserves more electricity for all electric cars for longer trips.
Would love one, but sounds…
Would love one, but sounds like I'll wait for increased range, like my Tesla 3. Though there's not a lot in it
I really really really…
I really really really wanted this van *because* it was a fully electric mini van. We a family of five and this van has oodles of space so no one is squished in the back row and there's still room in the trunk. BUT the range is a deal killer. This would be our road trip vehicle and 230 range of already pretty darn small but then factor in that super charger stations only let you fast charge to 80% and highway driving is less battery efficient because you're not breaking much. We would never make it through the more rural middle of the US.
Drop in a diesel and maybe…
Drop in a diesel and maybe. The 2010 VW SportWagen TDI I owned was the best most reliable car I’ve owned before it was bought back in DieselGate.
1969 Poptop Owner The ads…
1969 Poptop Owner
The ads look nostalgic but the vehicle doesn't live up to the hype. EV range is poor, priced out of the market and has no camping gear. It's not a VW Poptop! Simply it's a mini van! I can buy a Dodge or Ford for half the price.
We wanted one back when it…
We wanted one back when it was being marketed as affordable. When it actually came out, it wasn't affordable.
I have gone camping twice…
I have gone camping twice with my ID.4 Pro S pulling a small 1000 pound trailer with gear. Because you must arrive at your destination with at least 60% in order to return, it requires unhooking the trailer for a fast charge within about 75 miles of your final destination. I had to add 40 miles to my trip to get to a city with the DC fast charge.
Unhooking because the charging port is in the rear. A Lightning was able to keep their full size trailer attached and pull in forward, making it more trailer friendly.
It's best not to buy the…
It's best not to buy the first year of practically any type of vehicle because of bugs and glitches. I learned that when I purchased my Nissan Leaf. Safe to say I don't own that car anymore.