One Rivian owner set out to measure something most drivers never think twice about, and what he uncovered might just surprise you.
We talk so much about EV range, performance specs, and software updates, but how often do we think about the actual air we’re breathing inside these machines? Turns out, one Rivian R1T owner did, and what he found might point to a gap in how automakers like Rivian approach cabin air quality. So I was scrolling through the “RIVIAN Electric Vehicles Discussion” group on Facebook this morning and came across a post by Benjamin Ponds. Benjamin had been monitoring the CO₂ levels inside his Rivian R1T using two calibrated meters. He discovered that, during typical driving conditions with the HVAC system set to auto mode, CO₂ concentrations inside the cabin would rise. It would often exceed 2,000 ppm within 30 minutes of driving, and when idling in traffic, levels climbed as high as 3,000 ppm. This raised a serious question in his mind: are Rivian’s HVAC engineers truly prioritizing the air we breathe inside these otherwise forward-thinking electric trucks?
Here’s Benjamin’s full post that brought the issue into focus:
“I have been monitoring CO₂ levels inside my R1T while driving and working this past week. I'm using two different meters simultaneously to verify I'm getting fairly accurate readings, and both have recently been recalibrated to ambient air which is typically around 400 ppm. My typical day can include a 45min–2hr trip, then easily 5–8 stops during the day, and then I ride home. I'm testing with the climate on auto mode. In the mornings, the cabin is usually in the 600 ppm range. Driving solo, the meter with the fastest sensor beeps first warning of 1,500 ppm within 25 minutes of driving. With the family, it happens in 15 minutes. At the 30-minute mark, it alerts at the next warning level, with one exception over the last week, of crossing 2,000 ppm even when solo driving.
When sitting in the truck in traffic, making calls, etc. for 20 minutes, it reaches 2,700–2,900 ppm. I've noticed that on auto mode, the truck will occasionally switch to fresh air and the level drops to the 1,300–1,500 ppm range for a few minutes, then climbs back to the low 2,000s. As I sit here now in the truck for 25 minutes, the faster response sensor just alerted 3,000 ppm. Climate is on auto and hasn't been touched other than temperature all day.
These results do not prove but definitely support my hypothesis that Rivian engineers have not taken CO₂ level control seriously, and they need to revamp the HVAC controls to support a human-friendly cabin environment. All medical documentation I've found, common respiratory recommendations, etc. have drowsiness beginning at 1,000 ppm CO₂ for many people, and that's the recommended level to stay under for prolonged periods. Over 2,000 ppm is sometimes associated with dizziness, brain fog, etc. It gets more drastic as the ppm count rises and exposure time rises, obviously. Manually switching climate to fresh air intake makes the CO₂ ppm count drop from 3,000 ppm to under 600 ppm within 5 minutes. So my original observation and frustration post about the climate constantly 'choosing' recirculate being a potential hazard seems to be grounded in logic, truth, backed by real data, and a concern of habitable environments for modern medicine as well.” He even provided a link to support his research of the potential health trade offs.
What Others Are Saying
Benjamin’s post quickly caught attention. I mean after all, it was detailed, well-researched, and backed by real-world testing. One commenter, Mike Shelton, asked an important question: “Have you performed this testing in any other vehicles for comparison?” Benjamin replied with insight:
“My primary point is in both my other vehicles, they will never switch themselves to recirculate on their own like Rivian does. Rivian seems to be highly preferring recirculation over fresh air, possibly to boost A/C performance. I'm not sure why exactly. Every car made will have excess CO₂ levels inside when left on recirculation. I've tested my gasoline cars and you also get the benefit of increasing your CO levels. Also, if you have any kind of exhaust header leak like our Odyssey.”
That comment alone started a discussion around how different automakers approach climate logic and the trade-offs they make between energy efficiency and interior air quality. Another user, Shelton Don Caramelo Stevens, added:
“This is why I love Facebook groups and other forum platforms. I probably never would have even thought about this, but I learned something interesting and useful today. Thank you, seriously.”
Me too Shelton. His point is powerful after all, as online forums like these are exposing aspects of ownership that simply don’t show up on spec sheets or press releases. Real-world use brings out real-world flaws, with some potential safety concerns.
Martin Bogomolni provided some medical context, noting: “The National Collaborating Centre for Environmental Health (NCCEH) considers 7,000 ppm to be the lowest level at which a health effect has been observed in humans, and that was after several weeks of continuous exposure. That's not to say that a level of 2,000 to 3,000 ppm can’t be improved, but at the same time, those are subclinical levels of exposure for most of the population.”
It’s a fair point, and one that offers some balance. But as Benjamin pointed out, the thresholds for symptoms like brain fog and drowsiness can be lower. Plus, the danger isn’t about acute toxicity here, but about decreased alertness and comfort while driving. That’s a big deal in a truck that’s made for road trips and long daily hauls.
Garrett Buckland had a different interpretation: “This sounds like an excellent feature of the Rivian. Having true recirculation without leaks is a sign of proper functioning HVAC that’s set to Recirculate. If you want outside air, open the window or push the button on the screen. Great validation of the air-tightness of the vehicle and build quality of the HVAC.”
But is this a feature, or a flaw? Many Rivian owners likely assume that Auto mode is actively managing air quality, not just temperature. And in other EVs, like Teslas or certain luxury hybrids, the vehicle intelligently toggles between fresh and recirculated air to maintain both comfort and safety.
The Broader Rivian Experience
So while prioritizing range and cabin consistency makes sense, automakers may need to strike a better balance when it comes to recirculation strategies and overall air quality. But that’s not to say Rivian isn’t winning people over, as one R1T driver even shared their unexpected transformation from EV skeptic to loyalist after giving the truck a chance.
Separately, concerns about quality and service delays have surfaced among owners. One Rivian R1T owner revealed how a service appointment dragged on much longer than expected, leading to frustration and a deeper reflection on the brand’s early production hurdles.
A more technical failure involved a Rivian R1S that experienced extensive interior flooding due to a misrouted HVAC drain line, a defect that rendered the vehicle undriveable just weeks after delivery. The story brought to light how even advanced vehicles can fall victim to basic engineering oversights.
And finally, some Rivian customers have faced other kinds of challenges too. An owner was denied the Colorado EV tax credit despite their vehicle meeting the published weight criteria, as another example. This sparked questions about how incentives are applied in practice and whether EV buyers are being left behind by the system.
As for me though, taking account all these different ownership experiences, I think this whole situation shows how the smallest overlooked system can have an impact. You can have all the range, power, and tech in the world, but if your climate control quietly builds up air that makes you tired and less alert behind the wheel, that could prove to be an issue. It's true for any car maker, but especially true in a vehicle that’s marketed for adventure, road trips, and long hauls.
Key Takeaways:
- Benjamin’s data-backed post suggests that Rivian’s Auto climate control setting may not manage CO₂ levels adequately during normal driving.
- Elevated CO₂ levels can impair cognitive function, cause drowsiness, and go unnoticed until symptoms arise.
- While some argue the levels found are still “safe,” many sources often set much lower thresholds for optimal performance.
- Other Rivian owners have reported quality concerns, reinforcing that reliability and detail-oriented design remain a work in progress. Even with some loaner vehicles having failed while in service.
What Do You Think?
Have you ever experienced fatigue or fogginess during a long drive in your car and didn’t know why?
And do you think cabin air quality is something automakers should take more seriously in the Auto climate setting in the future?
I'd love to hear your take in the comments section below.
Aram Krajekian is a young automotive journalist bringing a fresh perspective to his coverage of the evolving automotive landscape. Follow Aram on X and LinkedIn for daily news coverage about cars.
Image Sources: The “RIVIAN Electric Vehicles Discussion” public Facebook group.
You bring up a great…
You bring up a great question Sonny.
The ambient air at around 400 ppm was used for meter calibration, and the switch to manual fresh air mode inside the R1T served as a practical control to show how it impacts the CO2 buildup.
I have a Tesla Model 3 from…
I have a Tesla Model 3 from 2018 and on trips I always crack the window once in a while just let fresh air in
If I had a Rivian, I would absolutely do this all the time to make sure I do not have a buildup of carbon dioxide
Great article by the way in very detailed
lol "fresh air" you do…
lol "fresh air" you do realize car tires shed billions of particles every mile driven. There is no such thing as fresh air anymore.
I totally get you Mike.It…
I totally get you Mike.
It feels as if the outside air is too polluted nowadays. Can't deny it beats inhaling car fumes though!
I wouldn't put any trust in…
I wouldn't put any trust in those cheap $30 meters, non-dispersive infrared sensors used to accurately measure CO2 cost more than that just for the component. His sensors are probably approximating by measuring VOCs which are significantly cheaper sensors and it is high due to the interior of new cars off gassing a ton of stuff. (Yeah, that new car smell is carcinogenic)
Nope. Hydrocarbons do not…
Nope. Hydrocarbons do not absorb at the same wavelength as carbon dioxide. Why not fact check before posting?
Using "recirculate" while using AC in a vehicle is
1. far more energy efficient and
2. avoids toxic particulate contamination that might arise from "cracking a window" - for example, the particulates from tires, brake linings, and more
I think it's very important…
I think it's very important to be able to toggle between outside air and recirculation manually. Your vehicle will not know whether a source of diesel exhaust has just pulled into your lane 1000 ft in front of you. I do appreciate automatic regulation of cabin temperature, though.
I agree Kurt.Having manual…
I agree Kurt.
Having manual control is crucial in situations like that, even with a smart system. Auto mode is great for comfort, but nothing beats being able to override it when needed. Appreciate your perspective.
Most likely it's…
Most likely it's prioritizing recirculation to reduce the amount of pollutants/irritants brought in from the external environment. E.g. pollen, dust, etc. while most of those may get caught in the cabin air filter, ozone, smells, etc. aren't. I doubt they have any sort of CO2/CO detection in their cabin air monitoring. That said, it would be a simple algorithm change to increase the amount of fresh air brought in.
Great insight Genthar. You…
Great insight Genthar.
You're probably right. Minimizing external pollutants is likely the priority. But as you said, it wouldn't take much for Rivian to tweak the algorithm to better balance air quality and CO2 buildup.
The higher CO2 levels means…
The higher CO2 levels means the hvac system works well in separating outside air from inside air. I perfer to be able to control when I want to keep outside air out. High levels of exhaust from heavy traffic or a single high polluter are better controlled. Smoke from a fire or a smoker driving ahead can be kept out until safe. Doesn't everyone know to let fresh air (outside air) in when starting to feel sleepy?
Almost certainly not. Common…
Almost certainly not. Common sense or common knowledge really isn't common at all.
Did I miss something? While…
Did I miss something? While the concern over CO2 density in the vehicle cabin is important, the half-written editorial regarding the Rivian doesn't indicate whether the CO2 ppms published were best in class, worst in class, or somewhere in the middle. Was testing done on other vehicles? Seems almost slanderous to call out this manufacturer without at least comparing to other cars. This article, and the post that spawned it are incomplete at best.
Very interesting for sure…
Very interesting for sure. No matter what vehicle I drive, ICE or EV, I typically set my AC for recirculation so it gets and stays cooler whilst driving. However, I usually drive with my windows open 90% of the time. I won't be using recirculation in my future drives with the AC on. Recirculation exhaled breath reminds me of an old joke about something be as funny as a fart in a spacesuit.
Haha, that’s a great way to…
Haha, that’s a great way to put it Bill.
It definitely captures the feeling of stale air on recirculate. It’s interesting how something as simple as switching modes can make such a big difference. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
There is no mention in this…
There is no mention in this article of the cause of the elevated CO2 levels. Is it the driver’s and passenger’s exhaling the CO2? Or is the CO2 source something else?
Most likely Tony.It could be…
Most likely Tony.
It could be a mix of different things, but the point you made is certainly a contributing factor.
Since the Permissible…
Since the Permissible Exposure Limit is 5,000 PPM, 2k and 3k aren't an issue. Everything is toxic at a high enough concentration. This isn't it.
I see your side Janes.The…
I see your side Janes.
The thing is, although 5k is the exposure limit, drowsiness and heart rate changes can be experienced around levels starting at 3k ppm according to the NIH.
I think the thinking here is…
I think the thinking here is that recirculate saves energy. obviously when you exhale the cabin will build up C02 levels. What I would expect to see is either monitoring C02 levels and have the vents pull in more air from outside when needed to keep C02 levels below whatever threshold is deemed safe. There also should be a function to turn on and off Recirculate like I have in my BMW. My car has On, Off and Auto.
OSHA Permissible Exposure Limit (PEL): The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) sets a PEL of 5,000 ppm as an 8-hour time-weighted average (TWA).
What is an SUV 'born to take…
What is an SUV 'born to take on the city?" One that can hop the occasional curb?
CO2 isn't an air quality…
CO2 isn't an air quality issue. CO2 is harmless. Just putting a couple extra people in the vehicle does the same thing. cracking the window fixes it if you want to
CO, carbon monoxide, is the…
CO, carbon monoxide, is the byproduct of combustion process, such as ICE or gas space heaters and is toxic to point of fatality. CO2, carbon dioxide, is what you and every other air breathing creature exhales with each breath. Therefore, if the CO2 rises on recirculate, that is an expected outcome as YOU (and any passengers) are producing it. CO is toxic and unwanted in any quantity.
Please get your chemistry and physiology correct.
Talk about having nothing to…
Talk about having nothing to do all day but look at something that's really trivial. Seriously get a life
What is the design criteria…
What is the design criteria for in cabin CO2 for this or any other vehicle?
"I've tested my gasoline…
"I've tested my gasoline cars and you also get the benefit of increasing your CO level"
There is NO benefit to raising CO level. CO is toxic and fatal, therefore you want to eliminate it. It is the killer with gas burning space heaters and other enclosed combustion use, bad exhausts on ICE, and other circumstances. It is also silent and has no odor itself, any odor is from other combustion byproducts.