The 2013 Nissan 370Z
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Three simple reasons why the Nissan 370Z cannot compete in the US

We used to include the Nissan 370Z in our monthly rear wheel drive performance car sales piece but due to the extremely slow sales of the Z car, we dropped it from our monthly sales comparison. After receiving complaints from a handful of Japanese performance enthusiasts who thought that we should include the sporty Nissan, we wanted to take a look at just why the 370Z struggles to compete in the US market.
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I should begin by explaining that Nissan sold just 7,338 examples of the 370Z Coupe and Roadster in all of 2012. Ford sold more Mustangs in that in a single month six times last year en route to selling a total of almost 83,000 units on the year. That gross difference in monthly sales was why we stopped mentioning the Nissan 370Z in our muscle car sales piece each month. However, even if you look at the sales figures of the new Scion FR-S, the sporty Scion crushed the Nissan in 2012 annual sales.

The problems with the Nissan 370Z, as I see them, are that it costs too much, it’s too small inside and it lacks the level of power of the other cars in the class – even those which are less expensive than the Z. Don’t get me wrong; the 370Z is a well respected performance car but over the past few years, the sporty Nissan 2-seater has lost a great deal of ground to the other options in the rear wheel drive performance car class.

3. Pricing – The 2013 Nissan 370Z is available in five different configurations as a coupe with the price ranging from $33,120 to $43,020 along with three configurations as a roadster with the price of the droptop ranging from $41,470 to $47,000. Compare those prices to those of the current Ford Mustang (not including the high performance Shelby GT500) with the Mustang coupe prices ranging from $22,200 to $34,750 and the Mustang convertible ranging from $27,200 to $39,750. If you configure a base model 370Z coupe with a manual transmission and the destination fee you have an MSRP $33,910. That is only $1,635 less than the 2014 Ford Mustang GT Premium which has far more content inside (leather, gadgets, etc) along with a great deal more power from the Mustang’s 5.0L V8 while also being more than $10,000 more than the entry level V6 Mustang coupe. Worse yet, if you configure a 370Z Nismo coupe with the Bose sound system, the MSRP of $45,160 is only $710 less than the 470 horsepower Dodge Challenger SRT8 392.

Some Nissan 370Z enthusiasts will be quick to point out that the 370Z suffers in sales due to a lack of a proper V8 (a point which we will address on its own below) but even if you compare the 370Z to another Japanese sports car that doesn’t have a V8, the Z still struggles to compare. The Scion FR-S moved 11,147 units in the US last year in its first year of production and while the performance measures are vastly higher for the 370Z, the least expensive 370Z starts almost $8,700 more than the Scion. Also, there is the Hyundai Genesis Coupe that starts at about $5,000 less than the 370Z even though it offers similar performance with 348 horsepower.

Nissan issued a significant price cut for their all electric Leaf to help it compete with the new entries in the segment and the company would be well advised to do the same thing with their 370Z.

2. A tiny interior with no rear seat – Let’s be real honest here…the back seats of the Ford Mustang and Scion FR-S are barely big enough to comfortably fit an average adult but in the long run, those cars do have the option to squeeze in two extra passengers. On the other hand, the Nissan 370Z doesn’t have a back seat in coupe or convertible form. This means that there is no option to squeeze in a couple extra adults nor is there room for a small family to seat a kid or two in the back. However, a buyer of the Ford Mustang, Scion FR-S, Dodge Challenger or Chevrolet Camaro has a back seat that can comfortably accommodate two children or two shorter adults. This alienates a great many prospective buyers who might not ever use the back seat for passengers but with those other models, those owners have the option to bring some friends on a ride or – more importantly – those models give younger families a chance to take their little ones on a cruise through the country. Beyond passenger space, the Mustang, Camaro, Challenger, the Genesis Coupe and FR-S all have easy access cargo space in the back seat while Z owners will need to put their stuff in the trunk. You can throw a backpack or camera case in the back seat of most rear drive performance models and get right to that parcel from the front seat without any issue but 370Z owners lose that ease of loading small cargo.

Considering that every other car in the segment has a back seat, the Nissan 370Z is at a tough disadvantage to the competition and this problem is compounded by the fact that a back seat isn’t something that you can just dial up. The company can lower the price or add more power but it is much more difficult to add a back seat – or a cargo area that is more readily accessible from the driver’s seat.

1.Lack of performance
– When the Nissan 350Z was introduced for the 2003 model year, the 287 horsepower offered by the 3.5L V6 was about 10% higher than the 2003 Ford Mustang GT. From 2004-2009, Nissan gradually increased the output of the 350Z up to 306 horsepower so the Z car remained very close to the Mustang in terms of power output that had just 300hp in 2009. Nissan jumped out away from the Mustang a bit for the 2009 model year when the new 3.7L V6 was introduced with 332hp while the Nismo 370Z packed 350hp so the high price was justified by offering more power than the Mustang GT. However, when the 2011 Ford Mustang debuted with the new 412 horsepower V8, later increasing the output to 420hp – the Mustang left the 370Z in the dust. Even though the Dodge Challenger and Chevrolet Camaro were not available when the 350Z was introduced in the US, those models eventually came into the picture and, like the Mustang, the new Camaro and Challenger offered considerably more power than the 350Z and 370Z. More importantly, the Nissan 370Z costs more than the majority of the available trimlines for the Mustang, Camaro and Challenger while offering quite a bit lower performance. Complicating the problem is the Hyundai Genesis Coupe which offers a naturally aspirated V6 with 348 horsepower which is also quite a bit less expensive. The Genesis Coupe doesn’t compete with the other rear wheel drive performance models in sales but it further deepens the talent pool in the segment.

The good news for the Nissan 370Z is that adding power should be the simplest problem to solve but you have to wonder just how much more Nissan can squeeze out of their powerful VQ Series V6 engine lineup. At this point, you would think that Nissan would either go to a force induction V6 that offers somewhere in the area of 400 horsepower or they could opt for a new V8 that would once again give the Z car a power advantage over the Camaro, Mustang and Challenger. Unfortunately, considering the level of performance among the “standard” V8 American muscle cars including 426hp in the Camaro SS, 420hp in the Mustang GT and 372hp in the Challenger R/T (which is priced similarly to the base model 370Z Coupe), it could be tough for Nissan to offer enough power to compete with the American muscle cars without further increasing the price.

The Nissan 370Z was introduced for 2009 so the current iteration is coming up on 4 years old…leading us to believe that there could be a new Z car in the pipeline. Unfortunately for Nissan, the high performance American muscle cars and the Scion FR-S/Subaru BRZ have made the “affordable” rear wheel drive performance car segment much tighter than it was when the modern Z was introduced for 2003. Nissan could fix two of these problems by fitting in even a tiny rear seating area and packing in an extra hundred horsepower but the company will still have to face a massive price differential between itself and every other car in the segment.


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Comments

Let's just picture if you were driving this in Japan. This is a businessman car, this is a high end type Porsche in Japan if you will. You would want to pick up your (1) business client in a car like this (My opinions) Also, These will continue to be 'rare' and very unique cars because there aren't 10 different models/variations (Looking at your mostly Camaro) I drive a 370Z Nismo
I previously owned a 2006 350Z; black on black. I absolutely loved the car, but, due to a divorce, I had to be realistic (I also had a Toyota RAV4 that I was making payments on, as well, so I picked the "practical car" to keep). Last week, I flew down to Charleston, SC, from Dulles to purchase a 2010 370 Touring Sport Roadster with less than 13,000 miles on it. I am in heaven. I respect and appreciate everyone's comments and opinions, good or bad, but, I'll take a Z any day. The entire drive back home from SC to VA, I didn't see ONE Z, coupe or roadster. That's one of beauties of this car, you don't see much of them. Personally, I like that. It's not a cookie cutter car. The acceleration is awesome, and it's just a darn good looking car.
I had a 2003 z and just got a 2014 convertible. These things are solid. I did nothing but basic maintenance over 100k miles on the 2003 (span of 13 years), other than I had to replace the power window motors. The quality is top notch, and the handling is exceptional. Why anyone would buy a Ford over this is insane. The Z will be on the road long after the Mustang has been pushed into a ditch and abandoned.
All due respect to the author, but I believe their definition of "performance" is a little too simplistic. There is more to a car than just horsepower. having test driven the Toyota 86 the 370z and the Mustang I can say that 86 is incredibly nimble and can take a corner amazingly well but ultimately lacks the power for satisfying pulls on the highway. The Mustang by contrast has truly intoxicating power but still lacks cornering ability despite having an LSD. The 370z (especially w/ sport pack) splits the difference with excellent handling and enough power to reach 60 in ~ 5 seconds. I've just placed an order for a 370z and have absolutely no regrets.
2014370z coupes. Rips. Only complaint is oversteer at speed.
The Z is a 2 seat DEDICATED sports car. There's nothing wrong with its price. What's wrong is the American cost of living, vs American wages vs People being able to afford this type of car. The pricing on the Z is set as such that the average person making $80k a year could afford this car. Truth is, most people making $80k have chosen to have families. So a car like this, is basically a dream. At best they can buy a v6 muscle car where they can fit 2 small children for a weekend. In a family situation the Z would have to be a 3Ed car which most people can't afford to buy or insure. Single men making 80k a year tend to care about what women think about their car, where the Z tends to be less impressive. Men will buy entry level BMW & MB over a dedicated sports car, leaving both single and married men making over $100k a year to truly be able to afford a DEDICATED sports car. The Cayman and corvette tend to have higher brand presence to people with money. In other words. American people care more about what people think than how a car truly performs. The Z provides more handling and feedback than any competitors, yet people don't acknowledge that. They acknowledge NAV is outdated. And that's the problem with today's so called enthusiast. The Z fits a very small niche of people who care about handling. It really aligns with the Lotus Evora 400 and Alfa Romeo 4C. Also the Porsche Cayman which is the most computer controlled and less emotional of the competing 3. But the status Quo can't admit that cuz suggestive advertising keeps the drones nice n dumb. Rattling off what the last guy said instead of experiencing the truth for themselves.
i make 43K and bought a new 2017 Z, I dont regret it at all, I would never get a mustang or a ford or dodge for that matter, Im happy with it, real issues with the 370z include its clunky manual transmission, which can be fixed by replacing clutch and more. Even though they improved the interior from the 350, I still think it feel cheap and within a couple of month I could hear creeks and rattling, it looks good, and its fun to drive. I paid 29k out the door for a basic 370z, I have monthly payments of 500 bucks, plus insurance of 150, so its 650 a month for me to own this car. which means I can pay this on my first paycheck and still have over 1000 left. However, after purchasing this car, I believe i could of been happier if I would have spent 5k more on a WRX STI. Alas, hindsight is 20/20
In May 2018 purchased my "New" 2017 370Z Touring AT (w/ only 40 mile on the Odom) for just a bit over $30K. I traded my 2006 SHINKA Mazda RX-8 that I purchased new and loved it. I'll admit, I'm a Rotary FanBoy, I've purchased a new 93 RX-7 FD and then a new 04 Base RX-8 prior to the SHINKA. Unfortunately, the RX-8 has been discontinued. I didn't buy my RX's because they were the fastest or the cheapest. It's all about uniqueness and style. Everyone and their brother own American Muscle, I say "good for them." spend your money how you want. Myself, I'm very happy with my Z. Nissan hasn't changed the body much in a decade and she's still sexy. I rarely see another Z. It's nice "not" being being in a "cookie-cutter" car.
Rear wheel hop is the only regrettable aspect to my purchase of my 2012 370z. Z1 Motorsports recommendation of urethane rear diff bushing and subframe collars doesn't remedy the problem. Will be going to solid aluminum next. Wheel hop also reportedly an issue with Mustang and Challenger. The wide Ray wheels and 275 35 19 rear tires on the 370z give it a superior look and stance to Mustang, Camaro, Challenger etc. Though the rear spoiler on my sport touring falls short to the spoiler on some Nismo models, the base models w/out one really fall short on appearance. Darn wheelhop!!!

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