It probably sounds ridiculous to say that an automaker doesn’t care if a bunch of loudmouths online don’t like a new design, but with the 2015 Dodge Charger R/T – the Chrysler Group really isn’t worried about the people who passionately oppose the new design. There are a variety of reasons why every automaker doesn’t worry about people not liking a new design and that is why Ford isn’t worried about people who hate the 2015 Mustang, why General Motors isn’t worried about people hating the 2015 Corvette Stingray and why Chrysler doesn’t care if people hate the new Dodge Challenger. No matter what an automaker does, there are going to be people who hate the new look. Those people don’t hate the design so much as they simply can’t cope with change and those are the people who automakers don’t worry much about when rolling out a new model. Heck, there were plenty of people in the Mopar community who hated the original modern Dodge Charger because it was a sedan instead of a coupe and while some of those people continue to complain about the extra two doors – I know people who hated the idea of a Charger sedan who later owned one.
This is true of any new model, but it isn’t why Chrysler was able to be so bold with their seemingly premature refresh of the Dodge Charger R/T. Dodge isn’t worried about people hating the new Charger R/T because – frankly – there is no other realistic competitor for the Charger in the US market. If you don’t like a BBQ restaurant, you go to a different BBQ place. If you don’t like McDonalds, you go to Burger King. For the Charger, there is no other vehicle sold in America that can offer everything that the 2015 Charger will offer.
Let’s quickly look at what the 2015 Dodge Charger will offer:
-3.6L V6 rear wheel drive - 292hp
-3.6L V6 all wheel drive - 292hp
-5.7L Hemi V8 rear wheel drive - 375hp
-6.4L Hemi V8 rear wheel drive - 470hp
If you look at the large sedans that compete with the 2015 Dodge Charger in that segment, nothing offers the same reach as the Charger. The large sedan from General Motors is the front wheel drive Chevrolet Impala which only offers as much performance as the 3.6L V6 can make. GM has the Cadillac CTS V Sport and the upcoming Chevrolet SS performance sedan, but both of those models carry a higher starting price than the Charger SRT8 while offering lower performance than the Hemi powered Dodge sedan. Also, while the SS performance sedan (arguably the best competitor for the Charger in the US market) offers a similar combination with lots of power and rear wheel drive, it costs much more than the Charger R/T and makes much less power than the Charger SRT8. The SS only comes in one form and there is no way to get into one of those for under $44,000 or so while Charger R/T owners will get almost as much power with a far lower price.
The large sedan from Ford Motor Company is the Taurus, and while you can get both front wheel drive and all wheel drive – along with the powerful EcoBoost V6 engine that packs comparable power to the Hemi V8. The Taurus SHO is arguably the closest competitor for the Charger R/T, except for those who demand rear wheel drive from their sport sedan. None of the Japanese companies offer a rear wheel drive large sedan or the power levels of the Charger and from the German automakers, you will pay big money to get the kind of power that you get with the Hemi powered Chargers.
In short, if you want a rear wheel drive full sized sedan that packs enough power to make claims of being a sport sedan, there is nothing in the same range of price and performance as the Dodge Charger. With that in mind, those folks who hate the new Charger look are welcome to hunt around for something that really competes in performance with a similar price – but the odds are good that those same people will end up learning to love the face of the 2015 Charger. The fact that no other automaker offers a true competitor for the Dodge Charger is why the Chrysler Group can afford to have some people hate the new look, as there is a good chance that some of those people will end up buying one overtime if they really want a high performance, rear wheel drive sedan that won’t break the bank.
Click here for a closer look at the 2015 Dodge Charger R/T from more angles, inside and out.
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That doesnt mean they dont
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That doesnt mean they dont have to take care when designing the car, they could do better in sales, if the car was better designed.
The Intrepid in its time looked better, in fact it is a sharp looking car.
I think the could have designed wider or fatter fenders in the front and rear to make it more muscular
I absolutely agree. And also,
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In reply to That doesnt mean they dont by Jose (not verified)
I absolutely agree. And also, nothing will make me ever care for the 2015 Charger. I will drive my 2014 til the motor falls out. Maybe by then I will find something I'm just as crazy about whether it's a Dodge or not.
The more I see the '15 the
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The more I see the '15 the more I like it.
The 11-14's are getting old fast.
I agree with you, also think
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In reply to The more I see the '15 the by Salvatore (not verified)
I agree with you, also think the 2015 could have been styled much better
2015 is a watered down,
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In reply to The more I see the '15 the by Salvatore (not verified)
2015 is a watered down, neutered family car. 11-14 are awesome muscle cars with mean look all around. 2015 is nothing more than a Dart or any other ugly, euro junky looking car with stupid slanted headlights, screwed up front grilles, and no other unique styling. The automakers are making more ugly cars today than ever before, and the 2015 that they still want to call a Charger, but is a new dart is one of them. Hopefully, they will realize how much most people hate the look and fix it for 2016.
BEING from a dodge dealer
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BEING from a dodge dealer family from 1968,and being I WAS one of those people online who called the 2006 charger a piece of crap...and being as I WAS at the LX show 2014 in Irvine California...DODGE SHOULD CARE IF PEOPLE LIKE THE DESIGN..we as consumers DONT care that you at Chrysler have 75 designers in a room and could NOT come up with a better front design than THIS CRAP...everyone in the world and HOLLYWOOD knows the 1968 to 1970 charger go down as HISTORICAL works of art..IS IT ASKING YOU BOZOS TOO MUCH TO PUT IN THE TIME AND EFFORT WITH YOUR COMPUTERS AND WHATEVER to simply GIVE US A WORK OF ART AGAIN???Telling us we don't care because there is no competition is basically BS...YOU SHOULD CARE...forcing a design on people just because you can today wont do-WE ALL EXPECT MUCH MORE FROM YOU DODGE...AND PLEASE CHANGE THIS FRONT END TO SOMETHING TIMELESS WE CAN ALL BE PROUD OF...you have the ability..the 2011 to 14 were pretty good...people actually liked it..NOW to take a HUGE step back because you don't give a dam isn't helping your case with the public-AT LEAST YOU DIDNT SCREW UP THE CHALLENGER.
MY sort of apology to all the
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MY sort of apology to all the dodge designers for my harsh words(but boys and girls YOU can do MUCH MUCH better-ralph change it before it hits the market...please-do it now before it costs you sales -if I could call you at home or tell you face to face I would,we spoke in California(had you unveiled it there you would NOT have unveiled it in NEW YORK with that face guaranteed) you know im a good person and dodge nut-im trying to help)...BUT if people cant be honest and passionate...then we would all be buying Toyotas...YOU as a company went thro hard times(and we stayed with you, even I bought a new hemi challenger R/T)...the dodge charger is an ICON of automotive ART..and YOU are not helping it keep its status amongst those who are truly passionate about the car...NOT one of the people so far I have spoken to likes the design of the front...NOT 1-so you should start giving a dam...its your business to give a dam..TO.MAKE A WORK OF ART YOU ARE CAPABLE OF...NOT JUST A BIG CAR EVERY ONE MISTAKES FOR THE SLOW SELLING DART.....PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZ
ONE FINAL PLEA-you all know
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ONE FINAL PLEA-you all know the dodge charger is a masterpiece of automotive history to be kept generation to generation-you cant say that of other cars 4 door or not..no grandkid is waiting for a civic 20 years from now-you get my drift-YOU NEED TO DEEPLY CARE ABOUT WHAT YOU DESIGNED BECAUSE IT IS A PART OF DODGE HISTORY YOU ARE PRIVELEGED TO HAVE BEEN A PART OF-you just cant put this charger out to the public with that rent a car front end..you just cant-that is why the hate mail-you didn't get hate mail over the 2011 to 14...I gurantee it-you were on the right track-PLEASE DODGE, PLEASE RALPH, PLEASE SERGIO....FIX IT...IT WONT COST MUCH....give us that DODGE Mona Lisa you are capable of-am I passionate about dodge, you bet I am, otherwise I wouldn't be writing...its time to give a dam dodge...its time..john
ONE LAST COMMENT THEN ILL
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ONE LAST COMMENT THEN ILL SHUT UP-because if you don't get it by now you don't get it.Let me take you back to the age of 13....if you cant imagine yourself stopping dead in your tracks as a 2015 DODGE CHARGER drives slowly by-then your on the wrong track...if you saw all 6 Fast and Furious movies and cant IMAGINE seeing this 2015 as the HERO car -then your on the wrong track-IF JOHN SCHNEIDER and the crew of DUKES OF HAZZARD saw this front end and you watched his reaction-then you are on the wrong track....Chrysler YOU JUST CANNOT TELL US BECAUSE THERE IS NO COMPETITION THAT YOU CAN NOW DO AS YOU PLEASE...the 2015 front end is like a cool teenager whose mom got a hold of him, chopped all his hair off and gave him literally plastic surgery to look like the Toyota kid next door..there mom says now you will fit in ,, no one will notice you OR remember you now go and play with all the other boring kids..IS THIS WHAT THE CHARGER WAS MADE TO DO..PLAY WITH THE OTHER KIDS...OR WAS THE CHARGER WHAT ALL THE OTHER KIDS JUST DREMPT OF BEING...THIS ISNT ABOUT LOUDMOUTHS..THIS IS ABOUT YOU AT DODGE UNDERSTANDING YOU ARE A PART OF AUTOMOTIVE HISTORY...no one writes about who designed the 75 charger ..do they?please you have time to do the right thing ralph..make the CHARGER MONA LISA IT DESERVES....your kids and history is counting on you and your design team................................john
THANK YOU whoever you are
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THANK YOU whoever you are for posting my harsh words about the new dodge charger face verbatum. My mom always said JOHN IF YOU CANT SAY SOMETHING NICE DONT SAY ANYTHING AT ALL-now-MY DAD however had strong opinions about virtually everything.!!Ralph, Sergio ,and all the design team-what we are talking about is a piece of plastic..thats it...not metal, not aluminum,just plastic. ALL we as avid dodge fans are asking for is give OUR beloved DODGE CHARGER the beautiful face it deserves. WOULDNT it be something if 1 automotive company actually listened to their fans (who buy their cars) and actually fixed a small mistake before the car actually came into production-and they said..april fools-here is the REAL charger. EVERYONE has pride..everyone has the job they feel they did best at..but lets see the facts-when ralph was explaining the new charger would be an evolution in California not retro I saw the look on his face,and I said to myself-oh no...what the hell did they do now-he knew then as he knows now-mistakes are made-RALPH IT IS A PIECE OF PLASTIC...THATS IT...WHICH CAN BE FORMED TO MAKE THE MOST BEAUTIFUL MUSCLE CAR FRONT ON THE MARKET...of course you can do it-aftermarket companies could do it in a day-and frankly I think most of them are salivating at the chance to sell custom fronts to your customers already.This isn't an expensive proposition-losing sales and getting bad publicity that you don't really give a dam hurts you MUCH more than modifying a piece of plastic.JUST swallow your pride go back to the drawing board and give us that face we will all cherish and buy and see with pride on our movie screens, that we will see in the faces of kids who tell us-gee mister nice car...you can do it ralph-SERGIO PLEASE...we saw you on 60 minutes,you said you can only afford 1 screw up...you already had your 1-the people have spoken..loud mouth kinda means we care...not that we dislike you..there is a big difference...Toyota guys dislike your product..WE buy your product and stay with you a lifetime...all we ask is to be heard and please don't give us just another rentacar front.ONLINE the new SS chev was compared with charger-ALL the people in the test LOVED the charger for its looks...and found the SS to be a forgettable box on wheels in the real world...not a day goes by that someone will stop me in my challenger R/T and inform me how much they love my car from kids to street people to everyone...please do the same for charger..it deserves that much..it helped save your company...AFTER ALL RALPH ITS JUST A PIECE OF PLASTIC-and thanks for signing my homemade dodge muscle car shirt in California...your friend john
Now I don't know who Patrick
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Now I don't know who Patrick Rall is-and certainly hes the author so hes entitled to his opinion..a bunch of loudmouths online who don't like the new charger face and can go elsewhere if they don't like it-ok I guess sales at dodge are that great we can tell customers to get lost already?how soon we forget 2009!-plz go see youtube...you call CONSUMER REPORTS LOUDMOUTHS?..well if you do then you do-when a design is off..then it is...my point is this-why settle for the mundane when you have the power NOT TO?I have a 74 yr old friend who had one of the original barracuda sports cars-to this day he remembers and loves the styling-when I showed him the new charger front end his remark was..why did they put a mini van front end on the new charger-THIS IS MY POINT DODGE-I just have to stop talking..you will do as you do and history will decide...your charger doesn't have to look like a DURANGO OR A MINIVAN OR A DART...it deserves better..Steve McQueen would certainly NOT pick this for an epic BULLITT movie-Vanishing Point would certainly NOT lable this car THE BEAST-FAST AND FURIOUS would be a laughable cartoon with this as the hero car-DODGE IM NOT TRYING TO HURT YOUR FEELINGS-all im saying is YOU CAN DO MUCH better...and please do so-the car isn't produced yet-probably all your camry product meetings liked the new front end since it blends in with the MUNDANE just nicely...SO DODGE...IT IS NEVER WRITTEN IN STONE THAT ANYTHING CANT BE MODIFIED...you knew when it was designed in your heart that this was kinda a needless midcyle refresh..do as you wish-the LOUDMOUTHS AT CONSUMER REPORTS AND ELSEWHERE HAVE SPOKEN-it would cost you very little to give us a CHARGER we would all be proud of instead of a family specific 4 door nothing-oh look honey there goes some kind of dodge-TO SIMPLY SAY IF YOU DONT LIKE IT GO ELSEWHERE IS DOING HISTORY AND DODGE CHARGER AN INJUSTICE-NOW ITS TIME FOR ME TO SHUT THE HELL UP..ILL TRY!
I agree with John, that the
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I agree with John, that the grill looks cheap and plastic. Reminds of the 2013 Mazda 3 which has the same black bar in grill . They only kept it 1 year because it was so ugly and unpopular. Maybe you will have to experience the same catastrophe in order to realize the styling error,, but it's a shame to do that with such an iconic car like the Charger..
Article is false, I feel.
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Article is false, I feel. PLENTY of other options and mods to make other sedans like the Charger, if you want. I am lifelong Mopar, and disgusted by this monstrosity that they dare still call a Charger. It lost it's persona, meanness, etc. It now is just a Dart. All Dodges seem to have the same rears now. Fiat really has screwed up Chrysler, and they had just made it to the top too. Also, not being able to offer AWD with the Hemi does not help.
TO ALL THE SRT BOYS AND GIRLS
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TO ALL THE SRT BOYS AND GIRLS I APOLOGISE. YES IT WAS ME WHO WROTE 4 SCATHING NOTES ABOUT THE NEW CHARGERS FRONT END..AND THO I STILL FEEL DEEP DOWN YOU COULD HAVE DONE A BETTER JOB...SEEING THE HELLCAT CHARGER THIS MORNING..ID SAY ITS A BONIFIDE STYLING WINNER...GREAT JOB. MY MOM WAS RIGHT NEVER CRITISIZE...BUT GEEPERS CAN YOU BLAME ME...I GUESS BASED ON WHAT YOU HAD WAITING IN THE HELLCAT YOU HAD LITTLE OTHER OPTIONS BUT TO STYLE THE FRONT END AS YOU NEEDED TO. I AM JUST A DODGE NUT THRO AND THRO FOREVER. AT IRVINE I PROMISED RALPH GILLES I WOULD DO ALL I COULD TO GET CANADAS FIRST SRT CLUB GOING SOAS WE COULD HOST SRT DODGE NUTS FROM AROUND THE WORLD...UNFORTUNATELY...I EVEN WORKED A CAR SHOW FREE FOR 1 DEALER...TOLD ANOTHER I WOULD WORK FREE 3 MONTHS..YET ANOTHER I WOULD WORK FREE 1 MONTH ALL TO PROVE I CAN DO WHAT I SAY...GUESS WHAT...NO TAKERS...I GUESS SELLING WHATEVER THEY HAVE AND GOING GOLFING IS A PRIORITY OVER MAKING CUSTOM VEHICLES AND HOSTING EVENTS FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY BUY DODGE CARS.THIS ISNT A COMPLAINT AS I LEARNED MY LESSON...THE FACTORY DOES WHAT IT CAN TO GIVE THE PUBLIC THE VEHICLES THEY WILL TREASURE..THE PUBLIC BUYS AND GOES TO CAR SHOWS AND PUTS OUT HARD EARNED MONEY TO BUY THESE CARS AND TRUCKS, WITHOUT THE CUSTOMER THERE WOULD BE NO CHRYSLER CORP...BUT AT THE DEALERSHIP LEVEL THERE SEEMS TO BE LITTLE ENTHUSIASM LIKE THE PEOPLE WHO BUY THE DODGE PRODUCT...TOO BAD...YES IM 57, BUT I GREW UP SELLING DODGE...AND ILL LOVE IT FOREVER..RALPH GILLES ILL KEEP TRYING TO GET 1 DEALER TO LISTEN AND HOST CANADAS FIRST EVENT....THO SO FAR FROM BRITISH COLUMBIA TO ALBERTA SO FAR NO TAKERS...I WONT GIVE UP....JOHN DODGE
I'm deeply sad to see this
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I'm deeply sad to see this ugly new front-end of the new dodge!
I'm from the Middle East, when I saw this all I ever thought is that what the hell were they thinking when they had that ugly design!??
As a company, you should listen to the consumers, not saying you don't care about what people think! The reason why you guys get paid is because of us! THE CONSUMERS! without us, you'd be out of the market for a long time! You see, we built trust in you guys, and if we get such a response from you, don't you think that would affect your company? idiots.
Not only do I think the 2015
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Not only do I think the 2015 is the best looking one since it came back out several years ago, I liked it so much I sold my 2012 Challenger and purchased one 2 weeks ago! A family member of mine saw a pic of the new one before it hit the dealerships and jumped on the bandwagon of saying it looked like a Dart instead of a Charger. Now he regrets buying his 2014 once I purchased my 2015. He said it grew on him once he saw it in person. Hell, I wish no one will buy one and they do change the body style because it will make mine worth that much more once it becomes a classic. LOL. There will never be one car that everyone will think looks good.
That john yak guy is a but,
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That john yak guy is a but, no offense, writing in all caps? really? there are better ways to get your point across. Though I agreed with his comments to some extent. It is a sleek but incohesive design. The 2014 is not getting old, sorry people who said that. It is more timeless than this. Sleek but does not make sense and is not a cohesive design
if we cant speak our mind and
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if we cant speak our mind and be passionate about something...then why bother living? If everyone(and most do) just buy a car because their sister in law had bla bla bla...what actually makes me sick is my brothers and I grew up selling DODGE in a family dealership...when all the nieces got old enuff to buy their first new car alone...bingo...go straight to a Honda or Toyota dealer to buy the cheapest ugliest thing they could buy...why? I wondered why...even my sister in law, a school principal just went out and bought a new camry(which she regrets to this day with numerous issues)...now they didn't shop around...NOT 1 OF THEM...and the last man micheal...who I understand opposes my use of capital letters to get a point across...its ok mike...that's just me because I cant yell on here..tho id love to sometimes..(wouldn't we all) ..anyway back to my real life story..all these woman never shopped a neon, avenger..300...nothing...just listened to girlfriends and bought a cheap piece of crap. Now..I grew up selling dodge..and I was selling hemi cudas in 1970..and now they are worth millions...show me 1 Toyota from that era worth ANYTHING...my point is TO GET ACROSS TO CHRYSLER IS SIMPLY THIS...DO A BETTER JOB..SO THAT THOSE PEOPLE WHO FRANKLY REALLY DONT CARE MUCH ABOUT WHAT THEY DRIVE WILL AT LEAST BE TEMPTED TO LOOK AT YOUR CAR BECAUSE THE STYLING IS SOOOOOOO WONDERFUL.....ralph...is that asking too much? Your paying a lot of designers to design...NO ONE in the world says all dodges have to look the same from the front...AND IM PRETTY SURE A PERSON WHO SPENDS HARD EARNED MONEY DOESNT WANT HIS CHARGER RT LOOKING LIKE A DART SXT HEADING DOWN THE ROAD. NOW..is this complaining...yes and no...factories do what they wish...tho lets be real and admit...styling like the 1969 to 1970 charger was sex on wheels the moment it was born , and remains so today...WHEN ITS RIGHT...ITS RIGHT. WITH SO MANY voicing their opinion about your base charger grill front end...why wouldn't you at least offer a few different grill options..like you do in the 300...I know you cant make it look like the srt or hellcat...but you could offer something...to shut me up...thanks..see you in California...john dodge...and mike...but has 2 TTs.
AND NOW-THE REST OF THE STORY
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AND NOW-THE REST OF THE STORY. Possibly this isn't the place to post this,but why not. As, I am an avid dodge guy all my life...and as I promised the SRT guys last year to find 1 dealer in Canada to host an SRT event same as they have in Irvine California(which was fabulous by the way). ..and 1 year later,I have basically visited nearly all dealerships in BC and Alberta, and no takers to host any events..and whats worse MOST wont even host a car show(even tho I offered to work freeee) , and I wondered why until TODAY. This my friends is part of an add from a BC car dealer....If you can sell Cars, Cellphones, TVs, Vacuums, Clothes, or anything at all -- We are looking for you!!!!.....NOW is it only me who now sees the problem or can anyone finally see the issues? Corporate everyone has now turned car dealerships into MEGA everythings....meaning...way back when my parents opened a Chrysler Plymouth Dodge dealership back in 1968, it was family owned and we knew our customers, and if someone wanted a deal he could very well go to another town if they wished to another family owned business and compare prices, we ALL knew our stuff, were enthusiastic about selling and driving dodge, etc...NOT TODAY...even in Canada there are mega companies who own virtually everything and THIS is killing the enthusiasts of everything. If you don't like a deal they give you at dodge, well you can just go down the street to Toyota and ford,but we own those also,or go to the dodge across the city, by the way we own all of those also, so good luck with that....so good luck ok!! I feel companies like Chrysler made HUGE mistakes in taking the mom and pop and enthusiasts out of the mix. THIS is why dealerships cant keep salespeople,because ALL the corporate dealership is interested in is LETS SELL THE CUSTOMER WHATEVER , MAKE A PROFIT AND LETS GO GOLF...which means sales people frankly DONT care if they are selling cell phones or cars...TOO BAD...those of us who still care about the products have now NO PLACE in this corporate mess of dog eat dog....too bad. I went to the California show last year, and the 1st night I went to the I think it was BOBS burger where they had a get together..less than 3 blocks away I stopped at a California dodge dealer for directions to the show, the sales staff was in full force in the dodge showroom and all replied..WHAT CAR SHOW WE DONT KNOW...well...why the hell don't they know!!!! !IT WAS 3 BLOCKS AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!...ill tell you why...because yesterday they were selling socks at sears and tomorrow they will be selling tvs at best buy..thats why they don't know. And when a man like me, an enthusiast for dodge over 50 years goes to CORPORATE DEALERSHIPS in Canada with even a small request like...hey guys ill work for free..lets host an SRT event...dealers basically say to me...NOT INTERESTED...turn on their heels as they scurry out the door for their T TIME at the club I guess...too bad ralph...too dam bad...for all of us...corporate America ..IS DOING ITS BEST TO KILL ANY ENTHUSIASM YOU DO AT THE factory to keep customers enthused....TOO DAM BAD...john but with 2 TTs
It only took a few years for
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It only took a few years for the testicular less euro trash designers to destroy the Charger. Remember the way the liberal euro influenced designers ruined the 95 Taurus . Fiat inspired garbage. I bet sales drop dramatically on this sorry look.
I for one do like change.
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I for one do like change. That is what makes some things better. In this case I disagree with the changes. I am a Charger fan and have owned several. I was in the market to buy another R/T but will not be doing so due to the new changes. Dodge should care because even though they say there is not any other competitor does not force me to buy from them. I do not have to have this car as much as they need to sell them. I buy a Charger because I like them not because I need it. This will impact sales as all I've heard has been negative about the appearance losing its bite.
Yes, the r/t looks a bit
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In reply to I for one do like change. by Dodge (not verified)
Yes, the r/t looks a bit strange, and like an incoherent hodgepodge of design elements from throughout the dodge lineup (avenger,caliber,magnum,charger, and especially dart). This is a weird teenager transition phase for the charger from its formerly blatantly aggressive front end to a modern looking mainstream sedan designed to appeal to a greater audience. In my opinion they should have waited a year or two until they were able to release an ALL new Charger that would assuredly look better than this. Even though I know it would be mainstream, at least it will look normal, and not a strange combination of design elements that make no sense together.
Dodge charger 2015 is a
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Dodge charger 2015 is a ridiculous girly silly new DART