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Three Advantages California Gives To Hydrogen Cars

As California encourages its drivers to use more hydrogen cars with more rebates than EVs, the state gives the following advantages to hydrogen car owners.

Tony Williams writes discussing three advantages CA provides to hydrogen cars.

1) $5000 rebate, versus $2500 for EV (originally, EV had $5000 in 2011, but was quickly dropped to $2500)

2) NINE credits per vehicle from Air Resources Board (CARB-ZEV). A typical EV gets three, however, Tesla gets four (because their cars go over 200 miles)

3) $100 million for 68 hydrogen stations, dispensed at $20 million per year. For just the $20 million, we could blanket the entire state with DC chargers that had batteries and solar.

Here is our "local" hydrogen station (100 miles from my house). It costs $13.99 per kg: the Gasoline Gallon Equivalent. H70 in the above photo is the 700 atmosphere pressure (10,000 pounds per square inch) that Toyota needs for its car to go 300 miles. In addition, it needs to be super cooled to -20C prior to transfer to your car. Those pumps are running all the time, even without cars.

Also See: California pushes hydrogen cars with 2X the rebate of EVs

By Tony Williams
San Diego, CA

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So why not name names and hold CARB folks accountable for this?

This stuff is all public, so we don't have to "name names".

The $100 million is an act of the state legislature.

The nine credits is a policy by CARB, as is the $5000 / $2500 rebate.

Califonia Energy Commision gives money to EV, hydrogen, natural gas, etc, programs.

But I thought CARB's mantra was "government shouldn't pick winners". At least, that's what I've heard Mary Nichols and Daniel Sperling ;-) repeat ad nauseam... :-\

That seems like a huge investment when the car companies cannot physically make more that a handful of the cars a year.

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There are a few considerable problems that exist consider the energy consumed ( a decrease in net efficiency from "well to wheel" )to reform methane to make hydrogen which is the most commonly available large scale hydrogen production method that is used by gasoline refineries today to meet CA low sulfur content requirement in gasoline. you will find a lot of energy spent that does nothing else but heat the air (cash to heat conversion) and increase hydrogen cost. Distillation and other methods (see Toyota's Bull sh*t marketing ad on youtube).
The other very big deal is lack of hydrogen distribution methods - e.g. pipelines and/or a competitive alternative to gasoline tanker trucks do not exist. It will take a bit over 15 hydrogen tube delivery trucks for the same miles driven (assume same equivalent fuel consumption) for every one gasoline tanker trucks.
The time to unload one hydrogen tube trailer is ~3 hours duration, which is also not practical. The high pressure hydrogen storage requires heavy thick walled tanks, the cost to force a phase change to liquid hydrogen would consume around 40% of the caloric value of the hydrogen and allow the liquid hydrogen to be transported in highly refrigerated/cooled tanks in considerably higher quantities than hydrogen gas, but the energy consumed to render gas to liquid makes it economically infeasible.